Wait, so Bruce Bowen has an affect on Dirk's Free Throw shooting? And did you see Brice's defense on Dirk last game in which he shot 5-15? I was simply refering to the gameplan in which certain players have executed to slow down Dirk, which most teams really don't use
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 28 2006, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bruce Bowen and TMac both stopped Dirk by playing him the same way: Making him out-quick them. They made him become a one dimensional jumpshooter, and struggle to get the ball. Dirk is most effective when he gets out in transition, posts up, faces up. TMac and Bowen made him a jump shooter, simple as that. Is guarding Dirk and easy task? No. But there has been one way players have guarded him that's worked, and I'm surprised teams don't utilize it more often</div>Man you haven't watched much mavs basketball because teams have been putting smalls on Dirk all year. Only a few teams have been successful. The spurs had Duncan and Mohammad to back up Bowen. I could see a point where you put a small on Dirk and have bigs ready to double team him once he tries to post him up but that is the only strategy that seems to work. Duncan has to be given credit for his help defense also. Most teams don't help out as well on defense as the spurs. That's why the spurs are the champions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 27 2006, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, so Bruce Bowen has an affect on Dirk's Free Throw shooting? And did you see Brice's defense on Dirk last game in which he shot 5-15? I was simply refering to the gameplan in which certain players have executed to slow down Dirk, which most teams really don't use</div>No, I'm just showing you his effectiveness going to the line. Dirk can always do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 27 2006, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way any of those players shut Dirk down this year. Artest and Bowen are the 2 I worry most about since they combine speed with bulk. It would make it harder for Dirk to post them up because of them being physical. Also Bowen gets away with fouls and being rough.</div>Neither Artest or Bowen can guard Dirk and stop him. Too small and not as long as T-Mac or other players similar to that. It is all about speed and putting a hand in Dirk's face.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 28 2006, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Neither Artest or Bowen can guard Dirk and stop him. Too small and not as long as T-Mac or other players similar to that. It is all about speed and putting a hand in Dirk's face.</div>Well I disagree. It is more important not giving Dirk any space and taking him out of his comfort zone. On the perimeter you need a guy right in his face and smalls are the only ones that can do it. Being long helps a little but T-Mac was 6'8 and very long and he could get right under Dirk. Take away Dirk's space and he gets frustrated. This year though Dirk has done a better job posting up smaller players and taking advantage of them there but like I said a big can help out on Dirk and if fouls aren't called Dirk will struggle.
Again, the point I am making is long player can stop Dirk as he can't drive past them, and can't shoot over them comfortably. He can easily shoot over a Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest, while his driving space would be limited. Against a Duncan, he couldn't shoot over him, but can drive past him. A player with critera T-Mac has can do both.
Well, we'll see how this works out against the Spurs NEXT time, because the first of Dirk's matchups against Bowen was a 12-20 performance. The second was 2-13, which was the complete opposite of the first, and the third was just in middle, going 10-10 from the line, and something like 8-20 from the field.
Funny how Dirk played his best in the first game against the Spurs when Duncan was guarding him and struggled against Bowen. You better not be talking about me as a biased mavs fan. Waqas is I know but I study these tapes on a game by game basis. Dirk has no trouble getting shots over Duncan. Duncan isn't quick enough to recover if he tries to get underneath Dirk like some of the smaller players. Mcgrady is a borderline shooting guard with long length so he can recover along with Marion to some degree. No way does Dirk get shut down but that is the best way to guard him.
Nitro is an idiot. He says stuff about the mavs without watching the mavs on a regular basis. Before you act like you know your <Censored> Nitro you should watch some mavs games. I bet the only times he watches Dirk is when they face the rockets so I think Nitro should end it. I don't know <Censored> about the rockets but at least I don't judge Yao.
I think if anyone will win MVP it should be Steve Nash. He has led him team to lead his division without Amare. and i dont want to hear anything about Amare in his few games because he was basically forced to come back..he isnt ready and its proven because he is most likely out for the season. Have you ever noticed how there are alot of no name guys that start doing good in Phoenix. Ive got two words for you....Steve Nash. Nothing agaisnt Dirk but the only way I dont see Steve winning it is if they take it away because of his 0 point game or because they dont like to give repeats. except TD of course
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 28 2006, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro is an idiot. He says stuff about the mavs without watching the mavs on a regular basis. Before you act like you know your <Censored> Nitro you should watch some mavs games. I bet the only times he watches Dirk is when they face the rockets so I think Nitro should end it. I don't know <Censored> about the rockets but at least I don't judge Yao.</div>I've watched the Mavs for the past 4 years. Usually only every once in awhile, but this is my 1st year with league pass, so I have been watching them more often. You're just mad because Dirk is still soft on D and isn't close to being unstoppable on offense. You're also mad because your points haven't been solid, and when you are wrong, you just say, "oMgzzz teh NiTTrooO mAn izz stOOpidd!!!11." Sorry man, but fanboys shouldn't be posting in topics like this and think that there opinion will be taken too seriously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 29 2006, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've watched the Mavs for the past 4 years. Usually only every once in awhile, but this is my 1st year with league pass, so I have been watching them more often. You're just mad because Dirk is still soft on D and isn't close to being unstoppable on offense. You're also mad because your points haven't been solid, and when you are wrong, you just say, "oMgzzz teh NiTTrooO mAn izz stOOpidd!!!11." Sorry man, but fanboys shouldn't be posting in topics like this and think that there opinion will be taken too seriously.</div>I don't know what is worse. Your made up quotes on me or that you think you actually figured out Dirk. I wouldn't have such a problem with you if you give Dirk some credit. His teammates are not much different than Nash's and about the same as Kobe's. Your hate for the mavs is noticed. You shouldn't be posting on threads where you have a hate towards a player or team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 28 2006, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know what is worse. Your made up quotes on me or that you think you actually figured out Dirk. I wouldn't have such a problem with you if you give Dirk some credit. His teammates are not much different than Nash's and about the same as Kobe's. Your hate for the mavs is noticed. You shouldn't be posting on threads where you have a hate towards a player or team.</div>Really? You know what, I have been giving Dirk his props, but after reading that statement I have come to the conclusion that a lot of you guys are pretty much trying to say that Dirk is playing with trash around him... when that is completely untrue!So, you're telling me that Darrell Armstrong, Erick Dampier, Marquis Daniels, DeSagana Diop, Adrian Griffin, Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Mbenga, Rawle Marshall, Pavel Podkolzin, Josh Powell, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry and Keith Van Horn are the same as Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Devean George, Devin Green, Jim Jackson, Aaron McKie, Chris Mihm, Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic, Von Wafer and Luke Walton?Please pass me whatever you've been smoking!Then again, if you look at the bolded statement, you're saying that Dirk's teammates are on the same level as Nash's, right? That's odd, because earlier you guys kept asserting that the biggest reason you had Dirk over Nash (or neck-and-neck with him) in the MVP race was because he was playing with inferior teammates... am I right? So, apparently you don't believe that anymore, because that statement just threw that entire argument out the window.Also, just because somebody does not agree with your opinion, that automatically means they are hating on the player or the team? Please! Obviously you're bias as a Mavericks fan is clearly being shown here, and that my friend is clouding your judgement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know what is worse. Your made up quotes on me or that you think you actually figured out Dirk. I wouldn't have such a problem with you if you give Dirk some credit. His teammates are not much different than Nash's and about the same as Kobe's. Your hate for the mavs is noticed. You shouldn't be posting on threads where you have a hate towards a player or team.</div>Wow, didn't clutch melo call me a Kobe hater last week, then Waqas call me a Kobe homer 2 days ago?I love Dirk, and he is a fantastic player. Probably the best PF in the league this year. But I do not feel he should be top 3 in MVP voting because the team he is on would be a 7th seed in playoffs without him, and his numbers aren't better than Nash, Kobe, or Bron. Dirk's teammates are same as Kobe's! HAHA!!!!! Yeah, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Smush parker, Chris Mihm are all just as good as Terry, Stack, Howard, Daniels, Van Horn,Mihm By far the dumbest statement you have ever made. Nash's teammates have all been hurt throughout year, and before this year, Diaw, Jones, Raja Bell, and House were all doing NOTHING. This year, their stats are WAY up, and Nash has made them look like superstars. And Nash has upped his game this year to where they are only scoring 2 points less than last year, which had a superior offensive team (and healthy Amare). I am not a Mavs hater or Dirk hater. I am neutral with Mavs, don't love them or hate them. I feel Dirk is overrated, but this year I'd take him over KG and TD, and he is very fun to watch. Best shooting big man since Bird. But, he does not deserve MVP, or to be in top 3 IMO.
Hey BigMo. Nitro was throwing some <Censored> against my team. Whatever your team is I'm sure you would enjoy them talking <Censored> about your best player. Dirk is constantly getting disrespected on this site and I am just defending him. Nitro needs to stop hating and realize what is reality. There is no absolute Dirk stopper along with no absolute Kobe stopper. If that did happen they wouldn't be superstars. Thank you and have a nice day.
Just to point something out Nitro, Raja Bell was having a very good season last year with the Jazz, but you nailed everything else pretty much right on the head in terms of the impact that Nash has had on the other guys this season.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 28 2006, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey BigMo. Nitro was throwing some <Censored> against my team. Whatever your team is I'm sure you would enjoy them talking <Censored> about your best player. Dirk is constantly getting disrespected on this site and I am just defending him. Nitro needs to stop hating and realize what is reality. There is no absolute Dirk stopper along with no absolute Kobe stopper. If that did happen they wouldn't be superstars. Thank you and have a nice day.</div>Yes, if somebody is talking <Censored> against my favorite team or player, I will defend them, but if somebody else has a very valid point I'll agree with them and give credit to them for pointing it out.But, one thing is very funny to me... and that is that you didn't address anything in my post. Therefore, it must be true... thank you and have a nice day!
Nitro's points have been a bad joke since he started posting. Nothing is worse than convincing some of a thing that isn't even close to reality. Nitro is either using hypothetical things for an argument like Kobe, Mcgrady, Lebron, and whoever will stop Dirk. WTF is that? That is a plain joke. I could understand someone saying Dirk is a great player but Kobe has been outstanding this year. At least you decide who you are in favor of. I'll admit I hate Kobe if you admit you hate Dirk. There are a lot of Dirk haters out there.
