Bill simmons pick for mvp [Wade]

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  1. DWade3

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Mar 24 2006, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree, everyone from Grant Hill to Dwyane Wade has been compared to Jordan, there's no comparison so it's time for us to drop it. The media loves to use the comparison because of the publicity and attention that Michael brouhg to the league, but it's very doubtful that we will see another like him. His combination of love for the game, will to win, knowledge of how to play the game, athletic ability, and natural instinct will probably never be seen again.</div>Exactly.If you think about it, Jordan can do just about everything you need from a basketball player at an exceptional level. That seperates him from anyone. Add his love for the game, as you said, and you have an irreplaceable legend.
     
  2. anypoint

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    I agree guys. I feel that the only 2 players (currently) that should ever be mentioned in a comparison with MJ, is Wade and Kobe. I know how everyone hates it, but it will never go away.
     
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    If you think about it 26 ppg without 3 pointers is amazing. He has led his team but there are others like Jason Williams, Shaq, Haslem and Antoine Walker helping that team. That is probably the most talented team in the NBA so Wade isn't doing it on his own. That's why I don't think he will get MVP.
     
  4. melo

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    Didn't anyone pick up the thing about "World class" defense? What kind of garbage is that.
     
  5. KMart?

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    Dwayne Wade is madly overrated. People say this guy is a top 5 player in the league. People are now saying he's the MVP, when the Heat were a .500 team without Shaq, and are now soaring in the standings. While Wade is their best player, Shaq is more valuable, evidenced by their record since Shaq came back (And don't say Pat Riley had anything to do with it. There hasn't been a change to the way they play since he took over)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 24 2006, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't anyone pick up the thing about "World class" defense? What kind of garbage is that.</div>Have you seen Wade play defense? [​IMG] Top 5 in steals and blocks for guards, he's anything but garbage.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 24 2006, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dwayne Wade is madly overrated. People say this guy is a top 5 player in the league. People are now saying he's the MVP, when the Heat were a .500 team without Shaq, and are now soaring in the standings. While Wade is their best player, Shaq is more valuable, evidenced by their record since Shaq came back (And don't say Pat Riley had anything to do with it. There hasn't been a change to the way they play since he took over)</div>Wade lead the Heat to the 2nd round in his first year. He may not be MVP but he is sure as hell a top 5 player in the league.
     
  7. BrewCityBuck

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    Steals and blocks don't mean your a good defender, basic instincts and athletism can get you those things. I think Wade is a decent defender.
     
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    Wade is definately in the race IMO. He is incredible. His numbers are amazing, and he is extremely efficient. Not to mention clutch and leading a top 4-5 team straight into the playoffs (and pretty much guarenteed ECF battle vs Pistons). As for him being compared to MJ, I can see it. I feel he is more like MJ than Kobe is. Well, Wade is closer to the younger MJ, while Kobe is more like the mid-late 90's MJ. I feel if Wade can work on his 3 point shooting a little, improve his defense, and keep doing what he is doing, he will be the best player in the NBA.
     
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    It's a lot easier to score when you have Shaquille O'neal clogging up the lane. Just ask Kobe and Penny.
     
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    As far as playing style goes Wade is very similar to Jordan. Give Wade a jump shot and he is very close to Jordan. Right now Wade's biggest weakness is his jump shot. It is nowhere near the level of Jordan's jump shot but they both have circus finishes around the basket. Also Wade is very good at stealing the ball. Something Jordan was good at. I actually see more comparisons of Wade's game to Jordan than Kobe's but Kobe is still a better player because of his outside shot.
     
  11. melo

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    Kobe plays like the 90's jordan, i have not seen anyone do that fadeaway turnaround jumper like he has since jordan.Wade will get there and once he does he'll probably be the best player in the league.
     
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    Have you seen Wade's play of late... remember how Im always jumping on him about his JUMPER. Enough said.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Mar 25 2006, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's a lot easier to score when you have Shaquille O'neal clogging up the lane. Just ask Kobe and Penny.</div>When Shaq was hurt last year in playoffs, who do you think carried team through the Wizards? When Shaq was hurt for some time this season, who was getting 27/6/6? Wade is just as good, with or without Shaq.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 25 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When Shaq was hurt last year in playoffs, who do you think carried team through the Wizards? When Shaq was hurt for some time this season, who was getting 27/6/6? Wade is just as good, with or without Shaq.</div>Who was a .500 team without Shaq? The Heat. Who are a now a contender with Shaq? The Heat. I'm not discounting Wade's surreal performance last year against Washington, but it's clear that Shaq is still more valuable to that team in terms of leadership, and a post threat that plains cares everyone in the NBA
     
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    They weren't a .500 team without Shaq. They were still above .500. Also don't forget the injuries the team suffered outside of Shaq, and the coaching changes. Not to mention Wade was carrying the team when there were 5-6 high miantence parts getting used to everything. Wade is the MVP of the team. Without him, Shaq wouldn't get as many one on one looks as he does, and if defenses stopped him, the team would crumble. Wade makes the Heat work, just as he did at the end of his rookie season and into those playoffs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 25 2006, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They weren't a .500 team without Shaq. They were still above .500. Also don't forget the injuries the team suffered outside of Shaq, and the coaching changes. Not to mention Wade was carrying the team when there were 5-6 high miantence parts getting used to everything. Wade is the MVP of the team. Without him, Shaq wouldn't get as many one on one looks as he does, and if defenses stopped him, the team would crumble. Wade makes the Heat work, just as he did at the end of his rookie season and into those playoffs.</div>Wade makes the Heat work? How?He's not the team's PG, and he doesn't bring the ball up the floor for one.And whenever the Heat try to set up some sort of play (besides dumping it into Shaq) Wade abandons it, and drives into the lane. And against good defenses, Wade is terrible. He has no jumper and he knows it, that's why he constantly is driving into the lane and turns it over/throws up a horrible shot. Yeah the 25+/6/6 or whatever he is getting is great, but look beyond stats people. Watch more games, instead of ESPN highlights, it might boost your basketball knowledge.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Mar 25 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wade makes the Heat work? How?</div>He is their main scorer, most dependable scorer, and playmaker. He is also their best player.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He's not the team's PG, and he doesn't bring the ball up the floor for one.</div>He was in his rookie year, and last year. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And whenever the Heat try to set up some sort of play (besides dumping it into Shaq) Wade abandons it, and drives into the lane. And against good defenses, Wade is terrible. He has no jumper and he knows it, that's why he constantly is driving into the lane and turns it over/throws up a horrible shot. Yeah the 25+/6/6 or whatever he is getting is great, but look beyond stats people. Watch more games, instead of ESPN highlights, it might boost your basketball knowledge.</div>Against good defenses, Wade is terrible? He had the last 17 points against Pistons a few weeks ago, including game winner. Throws up horrible shots? His FG% is 50%. And don't talk about throwing up bad shots or throwing bad passes when you have Kobe in your signature.You obviously watch no Heat games. Wade has one of the best midrange jumpshots for a swingman in the league. He can drive it into the lane. You seem to think it is a bad thing, although that is probably because he is averaging a much better FG % than Kobe. His numbers, by the way, are 27.6 PPG (on 50% shooting), 6.8 APG, 5.7 RPG, with 3.5 TO's per game. If you think that is a bad number as main playmaker, Kobe had over 4 TO's per game last year, and 3.1 TO's per game this year as primarily a scorer!Hypocrite.
     
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    Wade is a good scorer, and has become the heart of that team, but he still needs a good PG, and the team plays at it's best when Shaq's there...They do extremely well when Wade goes off, but he doesn't go off every game.Wade is a damn good player that only going to get better, BUT he's not the MVP.
     
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    No he isn't, but I feel is a longshot candidate. If you put Dirk there, Wade should be there, as his team is almost as successful despite injury, coaching changes, and he has better numbers than Dirk.
     
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    I simply think that Wade has Shaq, who despite his rapid aging and delining game, is still an incredible intimidator. The man is still capable of 20 and 10 any night, and will find open teammates off double teams. He is shooting the same percentage as last year, just not getting enough touches.Nowitzki however, has a better all around team, but is Dallas' lone superstar. If you took Dirk away, Dallas would be fighting for their playoff lives, whereas if you took Wade away, the Heat might still ahve a chance to lead their division. Therefore, I think Dirk would win it over Wade by a smudge
     

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