Are you sure you want Kidd out?

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    A lot of you here seems to want Kidd out. Still missing Devin? Who knows, he might come and watch the Mavs since the Nets are out of the playoffs for the second straight year. Oh, did you know that the Nets has never missed a playoff since acquiring Kidd? Anyway, sure your missing Devin, he had a career season right? 21 points, 3 boards, 7 assists a night while shooting 43% from the field and 29% from 3's. And he's an All-Star to boot. While 36 year old Kidd averaged less than double figures for the first time in his career with 9.0 PPG. Who cares if he picks up 6.1 boards a game or dishes out 8.6 assists per game and forget about the 2 steals he gets. You want someone who scores like Devin right? Kidd is shooting a poor 41% from 2 point land and a laughable 40% from beyond the arc. Plus, Kidd can't guard Chris Paul! That's been the cry all year right? Unlike Devin who clearly can stay with Paul. Remember the first meeting this season? Paul was awful against Harris, 29 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 3 stl, while shooting a lousy 11-18 from the field. It was luck that got the Hornets over the hump. Devin punished Paul with 6 pts, 0 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl and shot a spectacular 1 of 11 from the field. Simply awesome! I'm sure Terry, Howard and the others would still get their points even if Harris would put up his Nets' numbers if he was still a Mav today. Kidd's leadership or the other things he does that does not reflect on the stat sheet? Who cares about that? You want a "point guard" who scores. You want Kidd out! Old Ason Kidd can't cut it anymore. Tragic trade!... You guys want Kidd out? Who knows, you might just get your wish this summer. What's that saying?... "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it". Dallas without Jason Kidd? Goodluck!
     
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    You can't blame Paul's 29/9/8/3 game on Harris's defense. There were other factors that dictated that through the game. Not saying that Devin's defense is very good. But if we're playing the matchups game, what about Paul with the 31/17/9 effort against Kidd last Sunday??

    Anyway, you can't really compare Harris and Kidd's percentages because Kidd is not the number one or two option on offense so he shoots a lot less. It's not like Kidd is the Mavs's go-to guy when Harris is, for the most part, ours.

    I do think it was a bad trade for you guys (assuming your a Mavs fan) though. We gutted your bench and took away 2 draft picks, plus cash and a trade exception. You got Kidd and Wright + Allen, two scrubs basically.

    I still love Kidd and still think he's really good, but he is a fraction of his old self. Nonetheless I believe the Mavs can beat the Nuggets, but they are nowhere near being a top-flight contender anymore.
     
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    Just as you can't blame Paul's performance on Kidd alone. Kidd helps out a lot on defense and there are time that Kidd doesn't even guard Paul. The problem with Kidd is being on the NBA Defensive First team 9 times (1998-99 to 2006-07, 4-first team, 5-2nd team). With that under his belt, any slip on D on his part is magnified.
     
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    True. But he is much slower than he was just a few years ago. I have a feeling that if Kidd were in the West the entire time instead of with NJ, he wouldn't have had so many defensive nods.

    Either way, I can't see why Mavs fans want him gone (unless you can get another great pg). I can see the reason why you guys regret trading for him though. There's nothing that can be done realistically now to get rid of him and get better at the same time.
     
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    Ya, I do want Kidd out. I always thought the trade was a bad trade. What did I expect of Devin Harris if the trade didn't go through? Not 20/10. I would have been happy with 15/5. It's not that I wanted Harris to put up numbers in Dallas, but more the fact that he actually attacks the rim. Dallas is a team full of jumpshooters right now. No one ever goes inside. That's why a lead is never safe in Dallas' hands, because they can easily shoot themselves out of it.

    Also, with Kidd, Dallas is playing 4 on 5 on offense. Kidd's shooting numbers are misleading, since he doesn't shoot much. It's not rare to see him hit 1/6 on any given night. Then there's those rare games where he puts up 20 points on 6/8, and then his percentage is brought up. The opposing defense doesn't even guard Kidd, nor do they have to. He is afraid to attempt a layup, and on the rare occasions that he gets into the paint, he throws it back out to the three point line instead of trying to draw a foul or get a layup. When you don't put pressure on the defender, they can relax and just use their energy on the offensive end. Kidd is now a mediocre defender, and can't keep up with the new, young PGs. By now being a factor on offense, he makes the job of defending these guys even harder.

    How important is leadership when you can barely make it into the playoffs anyways? I'm not blaming Kidd for all of Dallas' problems, but he is a major factor. And sure we'll miss him if he leaves this offseason, but it's not because of what he brings to the table, but more so the fact that Dallas will lose out on their starting PG with no real replacement. Do we really want to throw Terry back as the starter when he was so effective off the bench? Or is Barea ready to be a full time starter? Saying we'll miss his production if he leaves this offseason is like saying "If Dirk leaves in 2010, you're gonna be sorry".
     

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