<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Apr 20 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? Is that why Kobe has the Lakers in the playoffs?They dont have a reliable second option on that team. Nor do they have a decent big man.Odom is inconsistant. This thread has turned into which player you would rather have on your team. The question was which player is <u>Better</u>.To say Wade is better than Kobe Bryant is disrespectful. Kobe Bryant is a better leader. Dywane Wade has a less than .500 record without Shaq with a much better supporting cast than Kobe.Give Kobe guys like Alonzo Mourning, Jason Williams, James Posey, and Antwoin Walker and watch the Lakers grab a top 4 seed out west.</div>Yeah everyone thinks the Lakers team is decent. but after Kobe it's <Censored>. Odom only just started to play to his potential. The first 2/3 of year the Lakers squad was all Kobe. Watch a Lakers game, and see how Sasha and Odom miss wide open shots, or how Smush let's the PG blow past him and Mihm get posterized. Or how Kwame can't freaking catch a pass. Anyone who thinks the Lakers without Kobe can even make the playoffs in the east is crazy.And if you ever watched the Lakers playoff games with Shaq which I doubt you have. You'd see that the majority of the time Shaq would choke or be too tired and Kobe would take the whole team on his back in the fourth quarter. See the last Blazers game of the first threepeat and you'll know what I'm talking about.
If Shaq goes down and Kobe doesn't have Odom as a replacement than the Lakers don't go 10-10. It would be more of 8-12 which is what happened when Shaq was with the Lakers. Odom is inconsistent but he is better than nothing.
Man, this thread is just disgusting. You can make a case for Lebron>Kobe, but Kobe is just flat out better than Wade. The only thing that Wade does better (attacking the rim) is something that Kobe isn't allowed to do because of the triangle. Look at last season, he facialized everybody. Kobe's led a worse team to a better record than Wade has (when he didn't have Shaq), neither one of them play defense consistently, Kobe has a better outside shot and can create a shot for himself better, Wade can get to the rim better but as I previously stated, Kobe's not even allowed to. Neither one of them are stellar passers or rebounders so I don't think you can even bring those aspects into the discussion.
Kobe's not allowed to attack the rim? I doubt that is true. Wade is the ultimate slasher. He has a mid range shot also. Like I said Kobe's all around game is not at Wade's level like the dirty work or rebounding, steals, assist, and blocks. Wade also shoots 5% higher than Kobe. 49.5% at exact. That is impressive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 20 2006, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe's not allowed to attack the rim? I doubt that is true. Wade is the ultimate slasher. He has a mid range shot also. Like I said Kobe's all around game is not at Wade's level like the dirty work or rebounding, steals, assist, and blocks. Wade also shoots 5% higher than Kobe. 49.5% at exact. That is impressive.</div>Kobe has to work inside the triangle, when you do that, you can't just try to take it into the lane yourself, and every time he does, he gets fouled HARD. And you cannot believe that Wade has a better midrange game than Kobe. Kobe has the best midrange game in the league by far, there's no comparison. And Kobe screws his numbers every night. He always takes that 70 footer at the end of the quarter just in case it goes in, when he's on a roll and the game is in the bag he shoots 30 footers for the fans, and he drives and gets hit a lot, then throws something torwards the rim, about 50 % of the time there will be no call.
So since Kobe has bad shot selection that doesn't hurt his team as well? Wade has a mid range shot that is respectful. He doesn't rely on it though. Wade is strong enough where he doesn't have to worry about getting hurt attacking the basket unlike Kobe. Kobe relies on outside shots too much and that is a bad thing. That is why Wade shoots 5% better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Apr 20 2006, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This thread has turned into which player you would rather have on your team. The question was which player is <u>Better</u>.</div>If that's the question why was this thread even made? Everyone knows Kobe is the best player in the league right now. That doesn't mean hes the MVP or the guy I'd build my franchise around however.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 20 2006, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What is wade doing? He lead the heat to 10-11 record without Shaq :HAHAHA:</div>He also led the team to two consecutive sweeps in the playoffs last year. Even Mighty Kobe hasn't led a team through two consecutive sweeps. And in 2001 Shaq was still the main option so don't even think about bringing that up.
Once again, Kobe is better than Wade. But, it is a lot closer than people think. Who cares if you are more well rounded, but your FG % is a full 5% wirse than another guards (who is 2-3 inches shorter than you)? Wade is better passer, rebounder, and more efficient.But, as I keep saying, Kobe is slightly more clutch, better defender when he tries, more dyanmic scorer (meaning Wade will never be able to blow up and score 62 in 3 quarters or 81 like Kobe can), and lastly, like in the Bron topic, Kobe is just more proven all around.
Kobe is the better individual player. You cant argue with that.However, Wade was born as a team-oriented type of a player. You cant argue with that either.As for some side topics I noticed in this thread:-Wade is 10x stronger than Kobe. Its not even close. The only stronger guard than Wade in the NBA is Corey Maggette.-As for defense, its Kobe. Wade will be on par in a few years. Wade has yet to get the respect from the refs on the defensive side of the ball. Hes not allowed to tug and hold onto players like Kobe does (nothing against Kobe. But everyone knows that all great defensive players does that). It will come as he gets older.
Vince Carter is pretty damn strong but that's a different story^^Kobe doesn't want to get himself injured driving to the lane. He wants to save his legs for the playoffs when he really needs them. When he was younger he always did the VC style dribble and dunk over everyone move. But now he's smarter and knows that he needs to be conservative and take jumpshots and fadeaways so he can be good on into his 30s. MJs field goal percentage went down as he got older because he started using more fadeaways and Js. If Kobe really needed to he can be a top-tier slasher but that's just dumb, why risk injury and wear yourself down for a meaningless game? If Wade is smart he'll start doing the same.As for field goal percentage, Kobe is always double and triple teamed, and is always forced to the shot as the clock is running down because his teamates are not agressive or smart enough to take an open shot. And Wade gets alot of the calls Kobe doesn't simply off of his rep. If Kobe took 3 or 4 less clock ending shots which he's forced to take he would have a better field goal percentage. Stats can be decieving. Kyle Korver has a better 3 point field percentage than Ray Allen but is he a better shooter?
You guys need to see Kobe live to really see his strength. He's a lot stronger than people think. BTW, just to add to the whole strenght thing, Wade has NEVER seen the kind of defenses Kobe has to go at. The league has its own little "Kobe" rules now. He gets pulled at all over the place, he gets hit in the face, elbowed, Raja Bell even put him in a headlock for god's sake. Besides, driving into the lane maximizes the risk for injury, something that killed the Lakers last year. They couldn't afford that this year, so Kobe cut down on going hard to the rim, the triangle also had a lot to do with it.
Ok, mavsfan. You want to debate? I'll debate you.I'll break down these players for youScoring- Kobe bryant is the better scorer. He's offensive arsenal is much better than wade's and his ppg shows itShooting- Kobe wins this in a lanslide, i don't even have to explain.Passing- Dwayne wade is more team orientated and is the better passer. Efficiency- You might think by looking at their field goals and thinking wade is. However you are mistaken. SatisticsThose bunch of stats are more realiable than nba.com because they take everything into count. Kobe is more efficient.Defense- Kobe wins this again. Kobe's defense has regressed this season because of obvious reasons however it's still better than wades. Kobe bryant has locked down guys like Carter and Ray allen multiple times. Dwayne wade cannot. Wade's defense is good, however it's not better than kobe's.Clutch- Both are huge 4th quarter preformers however i'll give kobe the edge because he's hit bigger shots than wade and is leading the league in 4th quarter points.Give up, you lose. You tried to state that wade had a better overall game. I just disproved. I suggest you give up, you're just making a fool of you're self.
Funny how many categories you forgot about. Rebounding, steals, and blocks. Wade is 49.5% from the field. That is as efficient as you get. Usually those are stats of big man. Kobe's scoring is all you think of. Shooting 45% from the field and not passing as well at least neutralizes if not hurts your argument Kobe being better than Wade. Who do you want the last shot to be? Wade's 50% shooting or Kobe's 45% shooting? Wade is way better at passing. It's not close. To me I'll take the passing game over the scoring anyday. Wade gives you both and that is why I would rather have Wade on my team than Kobe. The selfishness also bothers teammates. For example Chucky Atkins. Not getting teammates involved can effect the effort level they play at.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 20 2006, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Funny how many categories you forgot about. Rebounding, steals, and blocks. Wade is 49.5% from the field. That is as efficient as you get. Usually those are stats of big man. Kobe's scoring is all you think of. Shooting 45% from the field and not passing as well at least neutralizes if not hurts your argument Kobe being better than Wade. Who do you want the last shot to be? Wade's 50% shooting or Kobe's 45% shooting? Wade is way better at passing. It's not close. To me I'll take the passing game over the scoring anyday. Wade gives you both and that is why I would rather have Wade on my team than Kobe. The selfishness also bothers teammates. For example Chucky Atkins. Not getting teammates involved can effect the effort level they play at.</div>Neither of them are good rebounders, Kobe's better at getting steals and I'd say blocks is about even. How is Wade "way better at passing", because of his numbers? Look at his supporting cast. All he has to do is hand someone else the ball and he has an assist. And bringing up Chucky Atkins is just stupid. The man demanded a trade out of Washington, he's a mediocre player who gets mad when he's losing.
I left them out because there not major satistics. There both not in double digits in Blocks, therefore there's no point in posting about it. Rebounding is not as big as passing or scoring therefore i didn't mention it.I just showed you kobe bryant is the more efficient player and all you can come up with "look at his field goal percentage". Hollinger is a wade jocker, now all of a sudden his silent about wade. Why? Because he's been overtaken in the efficiency ranking.Let me remind you what you originally said <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>don't if there is one thread of this already but who is better and why?</div>You asked who is better and kobe bryant is clearly better. I dont' even know why i'm even arguing with you, Miami heat fans say Kobe is better. If they do, you're opinions are not valid.edit: Chucky atkins? Are you freaking kiddng me? The guy who played defense like he was blind then when he got angry with losing called kobe the gm? I seriously lost all respect for you.
Kobe just can't do none wrong around here. Scaring off teammates and taking games to his own hands instead of trusting teammates. Even in the Shaq days Kobe was like that. I lost respect with you when you trolled in the mavs site about Duncan's PF.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 21 2006, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe just can't do none wrong around here. Scaring off teammates and taking games to his own hands instead of trusting teammates. Even in the Shaq days Kobe was like that. I lost respect with you when you trolled in the mavs site about Duncan's PF.</div> :HAHAHA: You basically admitted defeat by going off topic. You didn't even respond to my post.I'm done here.edit: By PF i think you mean plantar fasciitis? Well yeah, he was suffering from it. It was the truth. What you said, about wade being the better overall player is absolutely false. There is a difference.
Kobe has the better scoring game and Wade has the better passing game. They both are equally important. Even if you go by efficiency there still is a better chance of Wade making a shot than Kobe in 1 possession. Longer shots=longer rebounds which equals more fastbreaks for the other team. I think 3 poing shooters have higher efficiency overall but they hurt the team in other ways to make up for that efficiency. Also you were totally disrespecting the Mavs in that thread. I don't want to get into it again about that but there were some cheap shots you like to do to piss mavs fans like me off.
This thread isn't about value, it's about who's better, and Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Dwyane Wade, case closed.
Better means everything. Not just scoring. I don't see the difference. Kobe is the better one on one player but it's a team game.
