We need to get you on the state budget committee ASAP. On second thought, I've seen some of your thoughts on spending. Nevermind.
So, are you contradicting what I said, or just getting in a shot? Not that you were serious, but I'm not eligible to be on your state budget committee. Sounds like they could use help from someone though. barfo
Well, so far I've read that people who commit a crime commit a further one and steal social security numbers. They then report what they wish. I'm going to make a further assumption based on previous evidence of their respect for our laws that they don't report all their income. But really these are all side issues. The real issue is that illegal immigration hurts everyone. It hurts the United States because it creates an underground economy we aren't able to tax very well. It hurts the United States because it makes us less safe. Border control is a large part of what allows a nation to defend itself. It hurts the average citizen because illegal immigrants take jobs that other Americans could fill. It hurts the average citizen because many of these illegal immigrants pay for entry to the country by becoming drug mules. Also the MS-13 is almost entirely illegal immigrants. Policing them and having them fill our justice system hurts the average citizen because it drives up their taxes. Having them use ambulances and emergency rooms for the most basic of illnesses because they don't have health insurance drive up the costs of our health insurance premiums. It hurts the country these people come from. The people that are motivated to seek a better life in the US are generally the most enterprising. Basically, the entrepreneurial class of those countries are coming north to roof your house. If they stayed in their own country, they could legitimately help build their economy. Instead, their citizens receive dollars which aren't taxed. It leaves the country without a tax base and dependent on these funds like an addict on The Horse. Finally it hurts the illegal immigrant. Because they can't go to the police, they are able to be exploited. I guess we should change the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner to "Home of the free and the land of the sweatshop". They live at the whim of the employer. They live at the whim of the local gang. It's akin to the way Italians lived at the turn of the 20th century. Instead of the Black Hand, we have the MS-13 and the Latin Kings. It's an entire community living in fear. What you really have here is a slave economy. Robert Fogel's study of those economies show that only a very few benefit and most are hurt by the social structure. It's one hell of a price to pay for the illusion of cheap lettuce and landscaping. All you've really done is transfer costs around. In fact, given the externalities involved, we may be paying more than if we set up a massive worker visa program and tracked these people.
I swear that I should just find out where Bill Gates lives and break in his house and start living there. I just want a better life. He is so rich he won't even notice anything I need to survive. My food costs are miniscule. I know Bill probably has plenty of house keepers, but I will spend six hours a day on my hands and knees scrubbing the corners of the walls of his house. That is a job people who live there won't do. Got that covered. I don't know about illegals stealing everything they own but pretending that they don't have 5 people per room living in their house is silly. My next door neighbor is an illegal, he told me himself. When the housing boom was going on he was remodeling the house and landscaping everything nicely. How he owns a house...I don't know. Now that the house he bought for 200 grand is worth about 85 thousand dollars it has junk laying all around and weeds that Jack could use to climb into the sky and find a giant. The house across the street sold recently, it is about 900-1100 square feet. I don't know the immigration status of the new owners, but I can tell you that all 12 people that live there sure like to sit on the front porch and drink beer at 10 in the morning most days. I really hope that people who don't live near these people think that they know what the truth is. You can read liberal websites all you want but I can take you to a Ross store full of Mexicans a few miles from my house and you can witness the disaster zone they create. They throw things on the floor and all six or seven kids run rampant in the aisles. The clothes on the rack look like grass flying from an old fashioned push mower. Then we can take a 15 minute drive to a nicer part of town and you can walk in an identical Ross except that it is neat and clean and nobody is screaming or running randomly through the store. Then we can drive back to my part of town and wait until evening. Then we can watch candy colored lowriders with stereos that could shake your fillings out or stop your heart blast at all hours of the night. They will turn it down to yell things at teenage girls walking down the street. Just for a second though, they gotta represent homie. You see them rollin and you a hatin..whatever that means. If you haven't figured it out yet, I don't give a good God DAMN how much they pay or don't pay or what job they do or don't. I do know one illegal Columbian that works at a shop a friend of mine works at that made well over 50 thousand dollars last year. I know he is illegal because I used to work with him at another shop and he laughed about it all the time. Five bucks and hour is about 50 grand right???????? The cost I wonder about is what it would cost us to round each and every damn one of them up and deport them all. I will volunteer every weekend for the next five years to this cause. I will help modify the retired school buses that I think would do the job and I will drive them to the border each weekend. I would feel bad for the children born here to these illegal immigrants. They are US citizens by birth and I would feel terrible sending their parents out of the country without them. I would see no reason to remove the child, there has to be plenty of people who want to adopt in this country. I also wouldn't do anything to illegals who were brought here when under the age of 18. I know a few who were brought here as children and they are just as American as anyone I know, they just don't have the paperwork. That is really sad. It doesn't really matter what I want though, because nobody cares and most Americans have been brain washed to think that having someone poor to clean your hotel room is good for this country. Good for you. Come live in my neighborhood, then see what you think.
Not taking a shot. Just joking a bit. What makes somebody eligible to be on the state budget committee?
I guess the part I don't understand is why we should feel sorry for the people of Mexico? What makes them special? Why should they be given privileges that the rest of the world is not allowed? People in favor of illegal immigration always bring up the statue of liberty, and how this country was built on immigration. You're right...... LEGAL immigration. There are people all around the world who would love to come to the US. They would love to be able to live here, work here, and be a part of this community. They have to wait and come here legally. Why? Because their country isn't on the southern border of the US. Why should the people of Mexico get a free ride, simply because they are within walking distance to the US? Shit. Why don't we just throw our borders open and allow anyone entry into this country from anywhere in the world. Sounds like a good idea to me. There are people in Africa who are suffering WAY worse than the people of Mexico. Why don't we ship them all over here? Fuck it, I say we scrap the whole Iraq plan. Bring our troops home, march into Mexico. Overthrow their corrupt government and start the rebuilding process down there. How does that plan sound?
I assume the answer is that you have to be elected to the CA state legislature, and then appointed to the appropriate committee, but I am not a CA resident and have forgotten what I once knew about how CA government works. barfo
There were no immigration laws in the USA in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, and most of the 1800s. The first US immigration law was the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Like the name? It's a clue as to what immigration laws are about. As for Mexico, as much as 30% of their population are native Americans. These peoples are recognized as sovereign nations within our nation. They were here before Columbus. They have a legitimate and special claim to be here, regardless of our borders. In fact, prior to 1848, the states of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming were really Mexico. Drawing a line in the sand or building a wall doesn't change these facts, they only restrict the free movement of these indigenous peoples. Naturalization is a very different issue. While I'm quite liberal about letting people in, I don't at all suggest we make any immigrant a citizen. These people are classified as Persons (according to the Constitution and volumes of other law), and they're still Mexican citizens or French citizens or from wherever they came from. People born here are citizens, and that's they way it's been, as written in the constitution. While the text on the Statue of Liberty surely signified our values at the time, it's not the sole argument for immigration. Personally, I like the "pull the ladder up after yourself" argument myself.
I'm tired of the canard that if you're for protecting the integrity of our borders, you're anti-immigration, are racist or want to deny people the chance your ancestors had at a better life. I'm against ILLEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration only. There's a process to gain entry to this country. I have little sympathy for those who don't follow that process.
So because their great great great great great great grandparents were from this continent, that gives them the right to come and go as they please? So by that rationale, I should be able to go back to Norway where my grandparents were from, and just put down roots without going through the legal processes? I should be able to use their health care system without paying taxes? I should be given financial aid for college simply because I have relatives that were from there? The reason why the Mexican border extended up into what is now the SW United States is because of the Spanish, not the Mexicans. It was because of their conquest for gold. A lot of the cities in that region are named for Spanish missions. The people in Mexico have no more claim to that region than we do. Spaniards, aka Europeans, traveled across the Atlantic and claimed those areas. And if we really want to get down to it, they committed terrible atrocities against the REAL native peoples of that time. Most of the true native peoples of that region are dead and gone, but the ones who remain are given the liberties of which you spoke of. Just because there are native americans in Mexico does not mean that they were originally from the southwestern united states, nor do they have any claim on that region.
The mexican people are native americans. 30% are pure native american, 50-60% are of mixed spanish/indian blood, and the rest are Caucasian or African.
Unless they're Pueblo, Navajo, or one of the other southwestern united states tribes, they have no real claim to that region.
