Merged: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Eric why are you so up and down on Oden?

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

A rookie season like the other dominating centers. Like DRob's 24/12, one win which Shaq had a 28 reb, 15 block performance. A season like that! If Oden gave us a rookie season like Shaq's or DRob's, we would've won 65 games easy. The good news is that it turns out that Roy is better than we all thought, that in fact, we will still be able to contend for titles even if Oden doesn't become a Hall of Famer.

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

I don't know. He may be KG/Kobe/Dirk/Nash who started slow and won MVPs and sometimes championships or he might be the word no one wants to utter around here. It's frustrating. One thing is clear: this is not what any of us expected when we drafted him. No 07-08 season. 8/7/1 in 08-09 season. We all expected more but hardly anyone in here will ever confess to that.

People like Bill Simmons, Kenny Smith, and Barkley have no stake in Oden (not like we do) and they already seem to consider Oden a joke.

Ask yourself this:

Let's say we didn't make ANY pick in the 07 draft. So we're totally neutral. We still would've gone 41-41 last season and be on track to improve this season. Now let's pretend Oden went to the Celtics and they returned to the lotto last season and then struggled this season with a 8/7 season from Oden. What would you make of Oden??? What would be your opinion of the #1 pick?

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

He wont be like Shaq. Not even close. Come on, guys!

Oden, if he can stay healthy, could be in the tier of Centers that include Mutombo and Morning.

I just hope the training staff can get Oden down into the 250-260 range this summer.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

What's the rush? We're fine as we are. Sure, I'd love for Oden to play better...but he didn't. I was disappointed in his rookie campaign. Hopefully he learns and comes back stronger and smarter next year.

Oden will get better, we're going to dominate. We're fine now, this is supposed to be a transitional year anyways...we're going to be solid

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Oden is another victim of the hype machine. He has the chance to be a good player....but the "once in a generation center" hyperbole was just silly. Even without the knee injury, he wasn't going to live up to the outrageous hype of being another Russell or Chamberlain. The media set him up to fail, and is now having fun at his expense.

OTOH, he gets all the perks that come with being the #1 pick, so he can't complain *too* much! I would let Bill Simmons verbally abuse me for a lot less than Oden is paid!

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Yes, but LeBron was hyped and he lived up for it. LeBron was and is "once in a generation." Duncan was "once in a generation." They all thought Oden would be too. Turned out not to be. Not yet anyway.

And you're right. For $5 million dollars, I have no problem getting criticized by an internet columnist.

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Simmons has a stake in Oden failing - because he was trumpeting Durant.

Barkley is upset that Oden named a dog after him.

Kenny smith said earlier this year we do not make the playoffs.

They all share the same job however - they are all comedians masquerading as analysts...

Yahtzee.

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Fair.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

And? ...

We didn't, so move on I guess.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

I think we still can because Roy has turned out to be better than advertised.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

If Oden was dominating like those other centers, I don't know if Roy will be as effective as he has been to be honest.

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Eric, I think we all see what you see, but we've also seen the flashes of potential. I've seen a kid who hasn't been able to really get back in shape. I see a guy who hasn't recaptured his athleticism that he once enjoyed. I'm waiting to see what he's like next season. When Oden has a full season under his belt, I'll be in a better position to assess where he is.

With that said, one minute you're talking about how Oden is better than Bynum, and now you're down on him again. I just wish you'd make up your mind.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

Kobe and Shaq worked well together.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

this thread can be merged with the Bill Simmons thread; we're having the same conversation in two threads.

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

Yeah, but Kobe's first years in the league weren't that great. He was hyped, but had that same deer in the headlights look and made mistakes like Oden did.

Should they have just given up on him by comparing his rookie year to Jordan or something?

 

Re: In 1993, Shaq grabbed 28 rebounds and blocked 15 shots in the same game?

Sure.

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Oden is having a better playoffs than Bynum which isn't saying much at all. That doesn't make him Wilt Chamberlain. Roy, it turns out, though, IS Wilt Chamberlain!

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140538

 

Re: Bill Simmons, the one-trick bitter douchebag

Of course, the "hype" came from all the NBA scouts. I know your scouting credentials are impeccable and if you aren't impressed by his rookie season, his chances of panning out are finished, but I think I may still wait and see.