OT - Jeremy Tyler Going To Europe, After Junior Year Of High School

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  1. THE HCP

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    Don't hockey players all over do this every year?
     
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  2. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    and soccer players, and Euro hoops players (Rudy, Sergio, Rubio, Freeland, etc.) It's a new world.
     
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    Some videos for reference... looks like a beast. Freakishly athletic and mobile for being 6'11. With his frame, he could easily fill out to be a massive threat in the post.

    [video=youtube;qdc9FLt1Ovc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdc9FLt1Ovc[/video]

    [video=youtube;SaJcyVNju4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaJcyVNju4k[/video]
     
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    http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/
     
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    to play in the nba.
     
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    Interesting. I thought it was his choice, but that quote implies he has no say in the matter. That would seem to be a disincentive, since he would have fewer rights than his European team-mates.
     
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  7. Run BJM

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    Hockey, Tennis, actors, musicians, European athletes in most sports I believe. A lot of them start at 12-14 years of age too, living without their parents playing for junior teams and whatnot.
     
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    I see no downside for him. He'll probably learn more about life living on the road in Europe and earning a paycheck than he would be partying up in a dorm on campus.

    It's a good move for him career wise too. A lot of people complain about how the American game has become so individualized and the European players have higher "team" basketball IQ's. The kid will learn a lot about the game by playing against other professional athletes working for a paycheck by playing ball.
     
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    I think we can look at it from a few different angles:

    1. Is it best for his financial future?
    2. Is it best for his basketball future?
    3. It is good for college basketball?

    In inverse order, I think this is GOOD for college basketball. Let players who want to play college ball go to college and let others ... do something else. The NCAA is too often, IMO, acting as a minor league for the NBA and I would rather actually have a minor league than have schools jumping through hoops to get a kid who doesn't want to be there eligible.

    I don't know if it's good for his basketball future. He might languish on the bench for two years... that's the way international clubs TEND to treat young players. A lesser team won't pay him what he wants and a more significant team might not give him money. Of course, why would a team pay him and then sit him?

    Financially, I think this makes a ton of sense. A "college education" is something that can be picked up pretty much whenever one wants... assuming one is willing to go into debt to do it. Players making a living for a year or two before the NBA are going to be better off, financially, than they'd be going to college unless (a) their draft position is adversely impacted, or (b) they get hurt. Of course, either of those things can happen in college, too.

    I hope the kid succeeds and I hope it leads to a true alternative to college for very very good players that have no interest in studying.

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    I never finished high school. I suppose that make me a total loser.
     
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    I cannot believe that adults are actually advocating a high school junior to skip his senior year of high school to go play basketball. I realize it sounds great to him, but shouldn't his Dad (obviously not the slime ball agent) have more common sense?
     
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    Why?

    Rudy played in the Spanish league at age 15. Batum played at 17?
     
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    What is the advantage of staying in high school versus making hundreds of thousands of dollars and playing with better players for what is very likely going to be his career instead?

    Seriously, I'm curious as what a "high school diploma" will get him.
     
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  14. MAS RipCity

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    damn skippy :ghoti:


    Seriously, just joking. It was a more tailored comment towards the kid. There are always exceptions to the rule and I hope you didn't take offense, if you did than I apologize :cheers:
     
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    If my son or daughter had a chance to make hundreds of thousands of dollars before graduating high school, and high school was in the way, I'd tell them to drop out and make that money. They can ALWAYS go back for education if that opportunity evaporates. ALWAYS. In fact, if they get paid and flame out, then they can pay for a great college education to pursue their next dream.

    Seriously, high school doesn't mean shit. College is a much more healthy atmosphere to get an education as compared to the the clique filled high schools.

    Rather than trying to look at basketball as just a game, try to relate it to something that an average Joe would be doing. If your 16 year old son got a marketing business going and he was offered a contract to work for Nike for $350,000, would you stop him from taking the job because he hasn't graduated high school yet? Or would you say, "that would be a fucking disgrace to you and this family! You are not dropping out of high school to pursue a once in a lifetime business opportunity. You have to take the long, meaningless, and hard road to get to where you need to go because that will make you are real man!" Get the fuck out.
     
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    to make even more money then he is? I'd also speculate that it's likely been his dream to play in the NBA and next year will be the first that he's eligible. Instead of making no money as a freshman in college he's spent a year going against better competition, getting paid, and seeing the world/being exposed to different cultures.

    Choosing to go to Europe for a year or two probably isn't the right call for every elite player but I can certainly see why it would be for some. It doesn't make you an automatic idiot for choosing to do this anymore then it makes you smart for staying in the states and doing the one and done route.

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  17. Foulzilla

    Foulzilla No Blood, No Foul.

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    Personally, I think he should finish High School first, then head to Europe. I think his parents should force the issue. However, it's none of my business really. He has every right to do this. Just hate to see what happens if he blows out a knee in Europe and is stuck with no basketball career and not even a high school diploma to fall back on.
     
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    Nah, I was just messin'. :cheers:
     
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    If he blows out a knee, he can go back to school or get his GED then go to college. And he'll have hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for it all.

    A high school diploma means fuck-all. Its a worthless piece of paper that lets you go to college, but you can get a GED and bypass that anyways.

    http://www.earnmydegree.com/online-education/learning-center/education-value.html

    Having a high school diploma, on average, means you will make $1.2 million dollars in your life time. He will probably make that by the time he's supposed to be a freshman in college.

    Staying in high school for him, if he is going to get a big contract, would be extremely stupid.
     
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  20. LittleAlex

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    The NCAA is a corrupt system that uses young athletes to generate hundreds of millions of dollars for itself while giving many of the players a pittance in return. Anything that can eliminate this travesty is a good thing. They have now made it so that underclassmen only have one week to enter then pull out of the draft.

    Fuck the NCAA.

    I hope this works out for the kid and I hope more kids do it. He doesn't want an education. He may not ever need an education. Why should he be forced to pretend to go to school? Further, in Europe his coaches can work with him all year round. The NCAA forbids it.

    Once again, fuck the NCAA.
     
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