People collectively, not people individually. Working for the people doesn't mean doing exactly what each and every one of us wants. barfo
It strnge to you because I honestly don't think you want to see the other side. You try labeling me as blindly following. What you fail to factor in is that I looked at the leader before I decide to trust his judgement or as you say blindly follow. I listened to him, I looked at his background, I looked at his record, I read one of his books, I listened to his critics, and I followed the campaigns. After all that, I decided that Obama is a smart indivdual who is about restrengthing the middle class and I believe that he will make policy decisions to try to achieve that goal. Do I understnd each decsion he makes or question each decision. No. The decisions a president makes have so many issues and are so complex that I will wait and see if his decisions were effective in achieving what I think his goals are. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that?
Right. But it seems as though it's_go_time has resigned to the idea that "we", collectively, can not do anything to influence our government.
The thing that is hard for me to understand about that is: Once we quadruple our deficit, and run our debt up to 85% of our GDP, it is too late to then "see if his decisions were effective". You don't mortgage the future of your country with crippling debt, with a "wait and see what happens" approach.
I convince people on the interwebs that they are wrong. Sometimes I go on long walks at the beach. I also enjoy eating pepperoni pizza. What do you do, Barfo?
No, no, you definitely don't do that. But I was asking you, since "You don't mortgage the future of your country with crippling debt, with a "wait and see what happens" approach.", what you do instead. I mean, since you know we are on the wrong track, you must know with certainty what the right track is, right? barfo
Well first, I think we both agree, when it comes to you and me, we have no choice but to wait and see. But I get that Obama's spending decisions bother you. I have never said it is a bad thing to question his decisions. I get your side and what disturbs you. I just happen to give Obama and his cabinet more credit than you (or again blindly follow as you put it) and do not think he would spend like this if he didn't have a master plan. He was elected to make important decisions like this and I don't think he would make those decision without first factoring in your coincerns and about 100 other concerns. Do you really think he doesn't know how much he is increasing our debt? He know and has decided it is worth it given all the current conditions and issues both nationally and internationally. And again, what choice do we have but to "wait and see" People on this board use a saying "in KP we trust" . . . I understand why fans say that and why they are willing to accept any trade by KP without questioning it . . . i think it almost the same philosophy people have with Obama.
Sorry, that is an absolutely illogical sentence. I'll tell you that my real name isn't Alibaba, so you must know with certainty what my real name is, right?
Sorry to ignore the rest of your post... But did people have the "in KP we trust" mindset before he had actually made any trades or good and big decisions?
Yes, I do know what your real name isn't. It isn't Rumpelstiltskin. While you are correct about the logic of my sentence, you are also avoiding the question. Let me rephrase it. How do you know the current path is the wrong one? barfo
I see the confusion. If I said we (as in all the American people) can't do anything about it, I didn't express myself correctly. I meant "we" as in you and me. I get the whole grass roots thing and do think the majority of Americans, when banded together, can do something including influnefce government. But the country isn't even close to taht . . . in fact the country is much more on the side of trusting Obama (if you believe the AP poll). So I meant you and I can't do anything about Obama's decisions . . .thus we either follow "blindly" or "opened eye" but we follow until the majority speaks up loud enough to get gov't to listen or majority votes in new congress or president.
Dang, you beat me before my edit. Get out a calculator. We can't possibly pay for it, let alone trying to pay for it using 5% of the American people, while everybody else gets a tax break, as Obama promises.
Got to be lightning quick around here. Get out a calculator. We can pay for it, while 95% of the country gets a tax break, as Obama promises. There, convinced? barfo
Yes . . . Paul Allen. And anyone who heard KP talk, the background he came from and what his peers said about him, probably developed a lot of trust in him. KP wreaks of intelligence and understanding how to build a winning franchise. Some would say Obama wreaks of intelligence and where this country needs to go. And for those who didn't trust in KP and questioned his decisons . . . they still had to follow KP as a Blazer fan and had no impact on KP's decisons . . . and more so, the ones that questioned his trades were, for the most part, wrong. So when Obama's trades play out . . . maybe you too will be preaching "in Obama we trust' . . . I say just go ahead and get on the bandwagon now.
You said "people on this board", not Paul Allen. I would like to see some posts of "people on this board" claiming "In KP we trust" before we had seen him make big trades, and big decisions.
I understand that you are just trying to be contradictory for fun, but if you don't want to do any math for yourself, just look at both the CBO's projections, and Obama's own projections. Obviously we can't afford it, otherwise the deficit would not be projected to keep growing at astounding levels.
Well, yes, literally we cannot afford it. On the other hand, we couldn't afford the deficits Bush ran up either. The real question is, what's a better alternative. It's fine to say this is bad, but we are in a bad situation. The goal is to choose the least unpleasant path. If you aren't willing to do painful things, and every alternative is painful, then you aren't going to get anywhere. barfo
