What is a foul?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by durvasa, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. pakman22

    pakman22 Aaron Brooks Baby!

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    As you know, JVG jokes around a lot - hence my " :lol " smiley. OBVIOUSLY no player will foul out in every game they play, but 10% is quite high, dont you think? Yao doesn't even come close to that. So yeahhhhh... point made clear.

    I suppose it might be higher in losses because Yao is an important part of the Rockets. However, you can't really be accurate about that in this series as Rockets have only lost 1 :) . Now, if you want to collect stats about Oden, that will be more accurate since Blazers have lost 3 and that makes the data more accurate. Sorry, didn't want to rub it in.
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2009
  2. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your point is that Oden has had foul troubles in his rookie year?

    Thanks for the breaking news, I'm sure no Blazer fan was aware of that. On your next post, you can tell us that Brandon Roy is our best player.

    And don't try to say that just because Greg has made stupid fouls during the season automatically clears up some of the horrible calls that have gone against him in this series. It doesn't work like that...
     
  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why does that matter? Where in the quoted rules does it state that the definition of a foul changes based on the players involved?

    BNM
     
  4. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    28,071
    Likes Received:
    10,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I used regular season data. Obviously in the playoffs, Yao is treated much differently.
     
  5. durvasa

    durvasa JBB Rockets Fan

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2004
    Messages:
    5,098
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    38
    According to Pryzbilla (before game 4), you're right that he was being treated differently:

    http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2009/04/playoff-basketball-fact-or-fiction.html

     
  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You conveniently left out the most important part of the rule:

    "A defender may momentarily touch an opponent with his hand anywhere on the court as long as it does not affect the opponent’s movement (speed, quickness, balance, rhythm)."

    When Roy drives the lane and gets hand checked (or hip checked), it does throw off his balance and rhythm - and accoring to the rules, it's a foul.

    BNM
     
  7. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,291
    Likes Received:
    5,854
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Merchant Banker
    Location:
    Denver, CO & Lake Oswego, OR
    Then why aren't Scola, Artest and Battier also in foul trouble?
     
  8. Sug

    Sug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,991
    Likes Received:
    55
    Trophy Points:
    48
    If Houston wins the series then they will understand why we are not happy about the calls. Kobe is going to be at the line 15-20 times a game, they will feel the pain that we feel when the ticky tacky bullshit gets called on Greg and Joel. Shane and Ronnie are gonna get rung up just like our guys did.
     
  9. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    32,870
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tualatin, OR
    A foul is Yao hipchecking Outlaw BLATANTLY and the three blind mice not calling it.
     
  10. JE

    JE Suspended

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    6,547
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    in between jobs right now
    Depends on the team.
     
  11. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,271
    Likes Received:
    26,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oden breathing on Yao

    Yao decapitating Roy, but still not a flagrant
     
  12. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    What is a foul?

    Depends. If it isn't Yao, it would be a hip-check as Outlaw drives on him, with nobody else near the play, like game 5's example.
     
  13. pakman22

    pakman22 Aaron Brooks Baby!

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Oh, for gods sake.
     
  14. RW#30

    RW#30 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2008
    Messages:
    331
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Yes...I am listening.
     
  15. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I had a great angle on that play, and I was shocked there was no call.

    I also recall a play in the first half where Roy goes into Yao, while Yao is in the restricted area. Yao falls down, and no call is made. I don't think a play like that should be a foul, but Greg gets that exact call against him all the time.
     
  16. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    22,656
    Likes Received:
    15,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. And what Yao does is he slips his arm underneath Pryzbilla and Oden's arms, jerking everyone's arms up in the air to make it look like they are holding him 20 feet from the basket. This is smart on Yao's end but stupid on the refs part by calling it. The defensive guys can touch Yao, but Yao ends up creating more contact by locking the Defensive guy up. End result will be early foul trouble on our bigs in game 6. It changes the whole game for us. You have to be able to play physical with Yao to stop him. Similar to what they do to Roy.
     

Share This Page