Roy says we need a backup PF

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  1. andalusian

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    I shamelessly agree. Still does mean that I want to see Steve Nash anywhere near this team other than when he is wearing an opposing team's jersey... :devilwink:
     
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    Maybe we already have our backup PF - he's #19 in this video.
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    That's really my issue. As much as I love Joel, we need a backup who care score. Look at the Celtics with big baby and Perkins. We have very little scoring from our five spot, and I think it would benefit us to have a pf/c who can score in the post like Varajao or Collison. Joel is pretty much exclusively a five, so I think it would benefit us to have someone who can swing between positions.
     
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    Joel's number confuses me, but Batum makes sense in that he doesn't have a high correlation of minutes played with the starters (from their perspective, not from his).
     
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    So what you are re-naming is the +/- for each player, which notes the point differential (not victories or defeats, as portions of games cannot be won nor lost) and which is in reality a measure of the 5 players who are on the court vs the 5 opposing players who are on the court. In no way does it accurately measure singular players. In no way is it reliably comparable to other players.

    If Sergio played in Blake's starting spot, his number would be greater than Blake's is now and Roy's would likely be higher also. PT is a huge factor in the +/- also, as most players need a minute or 2 to get in the flow and create, so bench players with a coach who juggles rotations and minutes frequently will always get a lower score, but again it is a 5-man vs 5-man score, and cannot be used to rate a singular player. Players are at the mercy of their coach as to when and for how long they play, and what instructions they must follow (run, don't run, feed the post, just rebound and do nothing else...) so a bad coach could skew things beyond sense.

    A more reliable comparison is apples to apples, such as I pointed out the day Blake came back from his injury and Sergio had been starting in his place although still playing less minutes overall. This comparison had each player in the same lineup, both facing starters in the opposition. Apples to apples.

    Even though it was a new and unfamiliar lineup, the team had a marginally higher win % with Sergio starting than they had with Blake starting. I think it averaged out to 4 more wins per season when extrapolated to 82 games.

    Clearly, Sergio is more valuable to this team's success than Steve is. Steve's best games were after he returned to start, and stepped up the pace for awhile ala Sergio, but he quickly regressed back to the dawdling, non-creative, risk-free style he's been anchored to for his entire career.
     
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    Lots of Euro teams are hot to trot over Joel Freeland. If we don't bring him over this year, we may lose him forever. KP is very excited about him. He's big, he's athletic, he's strong, he's got skill, no baggage, and he'd be a helluva lot cheaper than signing a free agent like Chris Anderson or Bass.

    I think Freeland is our best bet.

    Cut Travis Outlaw and we have 12 million to play with. Use that to sign RON ARTEST not only do we weaken a conference rival, but we become INSTANT CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS!

    DO IT KP!
     
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    No. +/- is point differential, win% is the number of wins out of total games played. They are different - if you lost one game by 30 points and win 29 by 1 - you will have a negative +/- but a wonderful win%.

    You are right that the win% is not limited to one player - but what it does show you is fit - and Sergio's domination of the ball does not mash well with Roy - Portland's best player - so he does not play much with him - which leads to his piss poor win%.

    Sergio has some talent - no-where near as much as some claim based on his ungodly assist rate - but he sure has some talent. It is just talent that does not fit with Portland's stars (most specifically Roy) - and as such - he has no place on this team going forward.
     
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    I'd like to see Chris Anderson here - big energy, big hops, kills himself to get rebounds and play D , loves to run the court. could be great!
     
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    question is.... does he fit the culture? KP was makin it a big deal about culture and if people fit us not us fitting them.... so think hed fit the NW culture? and is that crack/coke habit gonna stay away?
     
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    well, i guess he's been in trouble in the past and would be a chance to do it again?!

    but i think giving a guy who's had problems, yet now seems to be clean and playing well, a chance is in-line with what I'd consider good moral character from a team point of view - i dont think his past deeds need haunt him for the rest of his career, the fact is he'd bring what we sorely miss - an energetic banging big man who hounds the key and hoovers up boards. he's a role player to the definition of the term and doesnt aspire to be anything more than that role, but yet wants to do it the best he possibly can with as much power and enthusiasm as he can , i respect that in a player.

    he'd be kinda cheap too i think :P
     
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    There's no way we're getting the Birdman, as much as I'd like that to happen.
     
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    Ronnie Turiaf?
     
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    I'd love to have Maxiell here. He looked like he was a little underutilized by Michael Curry, who I felt was the worst coach in the NBA last season.
    Maxiell's tough, can jump out of the gym, and is a wide body. Seems to have a similar deal than Martell's at 4 years, 20 million. That's pretty affordable. I wonder if he's available.
     
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    I'd trade Travis for him in a heartbeat. he's cheap at 4.5 million a year, he has a decent touch out to about the foul line, he's an insane shot blocker and he rebounds adequately for his position.

    He's about as picture perfect a backup 4 as I can imagine for LaMarcus (considering salary, style, and role).
     
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    I dislike Chris anderson greatly...no way I want to see that idiot here....


    Nick Collison would be perfect, great choice...doubt we could get him from OKC though.....

    Brandon Bass would be another good choice as well, but again, prying away from Dallas won't be easy...
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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