Wow...Im not on Kobe's dick. You're just trying to fuck with a Lakers fan right? Kobes 05-06 year was one of the most epic in NBA history.
Kobe is good. Hell, Kobe is great. But Kobe is not the best bball player in the world. At least, not anymore. I honestly can't fathom how anyone could say Kobe is better then LeBron. If Kobe was on this years Cavs I really doubt they would have been as successful. If you put LeBron on the Lakers with that supporting cast and that team wins 70+ games.
Yeah, Its debatable...Im aware of that...Ill take Kobe, especially in the 4th quarter ...and I disagree with the 70+ BS...That has happened all of once in the history of the NBA. It took 2 of the top 50 best players of all time to do it. Lebron doesnt come close to Kobe's outside shot. Lebron goes to the rim much more frequently. Lakers already have two bigs clogging the lane. The Lakers are built for Kobe, not Lebron
Well LeBron's had the better regular season, Kobe's minutes were scaled back and he was supposed to pace himself. I'd judge them both on the post-season actually, and LeBron's numbers dip more against the good teams in the league.
Him or Paul should have gotten it last year, but meh... he was obviously the best player in the game this year. It seemed like his award to lose though, IDK why exactly. Someone would have to have a spectucular season to have beaten him out. But either way, he deserved it.
O MAI GODZ HE SKORD 35 POINTZ A GAEM! Steve Nash took a ragtag team that was minus Amare Stoudemire to 54 wins and the West finals. He averaged a double-double that season. That trumps Kobe's impressive scoring average easily. Scoring champion =/= MVP. Professor JE is out.
You've already admitted you're not that good with numbers in the past. Nash plays 35 minutes a game and no defense. Basketball-reference gave him 13 win shares on a 54 win team, Kobe had 15 on a 45 win team. He contributed more wins and is a more complete player. There is no statistical manner in which this is a close call, you have nothing to cite anymore.
45-37 with this piss ass team. Remember, Bynum wasnt playing, Ronny had heart surgery, Von Wafer was cut, and Smush Parker is now playing in China...Kobe won games all by himself. PHX minus Nash is WAAAAAYYYYYY better than Lakers minus Kobe that year
Have I. You want to use win shares to try and hold your argument? You can't look at a bunch of numbers and say concretely 'Nash contributed more wins'. This isn't baseball. Steve Nash did more with his rag-tag team (averaged a double-double and kept them afloat after a crushing injury) than Kobe did with his (lol scoring champion!!). Its that simple.
Nash's offensive production per possession has been measured already, he didn't even break 15 wins on a 54 win team. The way he made his teammates better is directly calculated in offensive rating, which is a team stat as well. Teams that win more have a huge edge in win shares, yet he clearly doesn't even break even with Kobe at 15. He's not durable, or complete enough on both ends to be the MVP that year, it's not hard to understand.
As usual, your shit holds absolutely no water. You can't accurately say what each team would have done if they were minus each player. Fuck, all Phoenix had was wing players and Kurt Thomas. They would have been harpooned in the half court offense every single time. They might have won 24 games to the Lakers' 20.
Holy shit, and you said I sucked at reading? Watch the fucking games, you can't add a bunch of basketball stats together and expect to get a legitamite reflection of anything other than you wasting your time. Thanks, don't think I could have put that one together on my own. Pretty meaningless stuff. You're seriously trying to say 'well, Kobe's the better player so he should have won'? LMFAO.
Your position is that Nash won more with less, or contributed more with wins. Going against Nash is that he plays a lot fewer possessions than Kobe, meaning that is the equivalent of being injured during the season, playing less minutes and thereby hurting your team. Minutes should factor heavily into this discussion especially for a one dimensional player with talent around him. Clearly win shares are the most relevant stat in this case then, and there is no other barometer as relevant.
check lebron's stats that year. 31.4 points, 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 48% shooting. not that lebron should have necessarily won in that year, but it should have basically been flipping a coin between lebron and kobe. nash shouldn't have been in the picture. kobe shouldn't have won last year's mvp though. that should have been lebron's as well. however, kobe should have won dirk's award.
Assists = end thread? That is your stance. One of the fewest amounts of minutes played for an MVP winner does not factor into this discussion? Tough sell on that.
