Would you trade Outlaw + #24 for Blair?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Wizard Mentor, May 22, 2009.

?

Would you trade Outlaw +#24 for Blair

  1. Yes, absolutely.

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  2. No, under no circumstances.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Yes, if we get a couple $mil in cap space with it.

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  4. Yes, and I'd be willing to take a player with a short deal similar to Outlaw's.

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  5. No, but I'd do it without the #24 pick.

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  6. No, I think we should use Outlaw to get a vet.

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  7. No, we should not trade Outlaw - Bake it!!

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  8. Whatever, In KP I trust.

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  9. Blair sucks, not interested in him.

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  10. Other.

    3 vote(s)
    8.6%
  1. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    Likes Received:
    14,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
  2. BClutch

    BClutch Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    I'm intrigued. He's a little short but kind of a monster. I'd also be concerned about him feeling stifled behind Aldridge after his rookie contract. I don't have a lot of info on him though. Tell me more. Any chance he's the next coming of Charles Barkley?
     
  3. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Don't know enough about Blair to have a firm opinion. Some people claim he's the perfect "banger" power forward...reports on him suggest his offensive game may be non-existent on the NBA level and he's undersized.

    So, I'll go with the "Let KP figure it out" option here.
     
  4. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    Likes Received:
    14,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Personally, I don't think we want the "second coming" of Charles Barkley - I think we want a role player who'll work hard, rebound everything, play good defense, and not complain. This seems like Blair to me. Plus, I think he'll be a great locker room guy.
     
  5. BClutch

    BClutch Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    I meant it more in the undersized guy averaging 10+ rebounds a game kind of way.

    Hmm, I think I may have to let KP figure this one out on his own.
     
  6. MAS RipCity

    MAS RipCity Mercy, Mercy

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,528
    Likes Received:
    271
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Portland
    Sub Webster, Blake, or Sergio for Outlaw and I'm game
     
  7. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Same here. At that price, I'm willing to take the chance on his "Paul Milsap" upside and not worry much if he's Mark Madsen.
     
  8. number 10

    number 10 Our Savior

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    1,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Portland
    I'd be very interested in trading any of Outlaw, Webster, Blake, Sergio, or Outlaw + the pick for him, as long as the PG situation was resolved first.
     
  9. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The only problem I see is that you can't trade a player for just a pick. Our trading partner would need to be below the cap to absorb Travis' salary. Of course I also think I'd rather see a trade package with Outlaw in it, bring back an established veteran who has proven himself to be a reliable performer. The days of pinning our hopes for reliable, predictable production on draft prospects is probably a thing of the past.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2009
  10. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,402
    Likes Received:
    24,364
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is Blair THIS good? All the talk of him being underrated is starting to make him a bit overrated...
     
  11. Da_O

    Da_O Abe Vigoda lives!

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2008
    Messages:
    1,453
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Why is there so many options? It should be Yes or No.

    My answer: NO. We don't know how good Blair is going to be, we know what we got with Outlaw. We can use Outlaw for trade bait somewhere else and land us a nice veteran pg. Blair has a ton of question marks.
     
  12. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Blair strikes me as a little like Ike Diogu with a slightly better motor and less offense. Yikes :NOTMARIS:
     
  13. number 10

    number 10 Our Savior

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    1,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Portland
    check out their respective stats per 40 min pace adjusted.
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ike-Diogu-81/stats/
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/stats/

    Diogu's last season - 10.3 rebounds, 24 points
    Blair - 18 rebounds, 23 points

    Diogu has the edge in blocked shots, Blair in steals and turnovers. Diogu used 26% of his team's possessions (same amount as Blake Griffin), Blair 18%.

    To me, this shows that Blair is a more efficient player. He scored almost as much as Diogu despite seeing less of the ball, and his rebounding his phenomenal. And, if I'm not mistaken, he's doing it in a tough conference. Diogu, on the other hand, was going up against the Pac 10 when it didn't have a single good big man in it. Again, edge to DeJuan Blair.
     
  14. hasoos

    hasoos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    9,418
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The difference in their defensive capabilities are huge as well. Blair knows how to defend the post. What I am really surprised about is that all folks are talking about is offensive stats with this guy. It wasn't that long ago folks that Portland was losing the playoffs with guys like Chuck Hayes doing a bang up job off the bench for Houston, playing D and rebounding. Guys do not necessarily have to score to play a big role on your team. All they have to do is make plays. It sure would be nice to have a low center of gravity, "Immovable object" to throw at guys. Like when Chuck Hayes was defending Paul Gasol/Bynum. Finnesse players locked up with a player invested in physicality.

    There is a good chance next year that Oden will start. That means Joel will be on the 2nd unit. The Blazers could be going to a guard oriented scoring on the 2nd unit, with the bigs responsible for D and rebounding for the most part.
     
  15. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The trouble is Blair is not even a great college defender, he had a helluva time defending pick and rolls at Pitt, and even though he's got a big wide base and low center of gravity I don't recall him being a good post defender in the couple of games I saw him. He's a fantastic energy player and likes contact, but I'm just not convinced a rookie is what we need at that position (especially one that is shooting up the draft board).

    I'd much rather see a guy like Antonio McDyess signed -- or someone with at least a little bit of a back to the basket game and good rebounding -- vs. another unknown quantity. This team is dying for some veterans who have been there, done that and have lots of playoff experience.
     
  16. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd prefer to see us give Joel Freeland the backup PF job. But I would be in favor of trading Outlaw and the 24th for SOMETHING. Maybe a future 1st round pick. We really do not have the space to develop any more rookies. Blair is a really muscular guy, but this is basketball, not the NFL.

    Sergio is most likely a gonner, and we'll probably bring in Andre Miller or Nate Robinson. If we cut Blake and give Bayless the backup PG spot, then we might even have enough room to sign Ron Artest as well.

    Miller/Blake/Bayless
    Roy/Rudy/Bayless
    Batum/Webster
    LA/Freeland
    Oden/Pryzbilla

    There's no room in the inn for baby Jesus.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2009

Share This Page