Anyway, this situation seems a little like the Yi one from a few years ago. In the end, the undesirable team drafted him anyway. And you can sort of see why--think Charlotte regrets passing on Kobe Bryant because he "refused" to play for them? In hindsight, they should've just said, "Fuck you, Kobe, you will learn to love it here."
I don't know the Yi situation real well . . . was he making more or as much in China then what he makes now? To me it seems like Rubio has lots of leverage in the situation . . . but maybe Yi did too.
I'm saying if Memphis passes on Rubio and takes Thabeet then Golden State will probably try and make a deal with OKC not New York. They don't have the same restrictions on their players, and could probably throw in Biedrins or Monta which OKC may prefer more.
I believe Yi (and communist China) was more interested in playing in a bigger, more high-visibility market. I think it was more of a prestige thing. Plus, who wants to live in Milwaukee? The motivation (endorsements/glory/money/locale) doesn't really matter for the player, though. It basically boils down to the franchise's will against the player's, and who flinches first. If I were Memphis, I'd draft Rubio if I thought he were the BPA. Worst that happens is that he refuses to come, he blows up in Europe, and Memphis uses his increased value to trade his draft rights for value down the road.
Kobe was threatening to go to Duke if anyone other than LA or New York drafted him. So if Charlotte had selected him and not traded his rights, they risked not getting anything at all for their pick.
If Kobe had gone to Duke, wouldn't Charlotte still own his rights? It's not like he could just pull out of the draft on draft night. So if he has a fantastic college career (as he probably would have) Charlotte trades away his draft rights down the road for a proven star. Instead they rented Vlade Divac for a few years in exchange for the rights to Bryant.
I think the issue is would you want to deal with the hassle and to waste a lottery pick on a player who won't be available for at least a year and maybe longer? Especially when it's not like people really knew he was going to end up being as good as he was/is.
No, I think if you don't play professional basketball for a year after being drafted, the rights are lost. Foreign players continue to play professionally in their own league, so rights to them are not lost. But playing in college is not professional, so by the time the next year's draft rolled around, I don't think anyone would own his rights. That's my recollection anyway. I'm not an expert on the CBA.
This is one of those things that's always puzzled me. If it worked for Kobe, why would anyone ever let themselves get drafted to the Kings or Grizzlies?
There are downsides. Trying to make yourself fall in the draft costs you money, since first round pick salaries are based on draft slot. Also, I'd guess most players aren't concerned enough with market to follow through on a threat to go to college for a(nother) year. Also, if you're out of college eligibility, you don't have that option.
Rubio + Kevin Martin could be a very good backcourt. Add onto that young bigs like Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes. I like Francisco Garcia a bit too. They have some good young pieces if they continue to develop and put it together.
Purchase another pick, trade some pics to move up into the late teens. Trade that with Sergio to move up two spots. Trade that with Webster to move up three more. Rinse, repeat. Trade Outlaw + pick for Rubio Rubio, Roy, Batum, LMA, Oden In all honestly, I think that we could potentially do something like that to move up a bunch, but it might require trading Pryzbilla, and I don't really feel comfortable with that at all.
That's what I was going to say. Remember Larry Bird? He played another season after being drafted, but the Celtics had a very narrow window to sign him once his final college season ended.
Voshon Lenard was drafted by the Bucks in the second round, went back to Minnesota, and then remained their property the next year. That was the 1994 draft. Not sure what the rules were with Kobe when he was in the draft. Ed O.
I think i'd be willing to trade Joel to get Rubio. I'd be willing to trade anyone outside Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy and Batum. We have cap space, TE, our 1st and plenty seconds (valuable), future picks, and plenty of players to trade including a stud like Bayless (imo). Also, i'm sure we'd be willing to take on contracts, which would probably be a huge deal. Mix that with the fact that teams such as Memphis and Washington seem to be willing to trade their picks, and I think that its not too far-fetched. KP could probably make it happen if he wanted to, but the price may be to high. Though adding another player to the core for the next 10+ years can't be overvalued, imo. Especially considering its probably our final important position.
I'm just scared what happens to Roy if we have a ball dominating pg. From what I've seen when he plays with sergio (not saying rubio would be like him) is that Roy just seems to stand in one spot and wait for a kick out. Maybe if we got rubio he'd switch up and roam a bit better but I'm not sure. Something to think about.
I definitely would. I love Joel, and losing him would require the team to get someone who'd be at least as expensive and probably not as good, but Rubio's a guy who could be really special and blend in well with the rest of the core over the long term and giving up a few years of Przybilla would be worth the cost. Ed O.
