Didn't see this anywhere else, and since a lot of discussion has been about PGs, I thought it was pretty relevant. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=PreDraftTour-090601 Surprised to see Lawson that low, a little bummed that Flynn is probably out of our range, and who does this sound like?
I wonder where Bayless would come in on that list? I figure since he was rated so high last year in a much better PG class that he would be at, or near the top. Since that is the case and he is on the team already I wonder why we need to keep talking about drafting yet another PG?
What if.. just what if.. Bayless has more trade value than those PG's outside of Rubio... And Bayless gets included in a deal that brings back a nice PG or a nice SF. Then can we talk about players in the draft?
Moot point, the ranking is for those guys who haven't played in the NBA. Bayless has played and had some opportunities to distinguish himself and earn solid playing time and apart from a few glimpses, he did nothing to earn my confidence (shades of Sergio his rookie year). Perhaps if Bayless was in this year's draft class, he might be ranked high, but as it stands, I just don't see him as a viable PG alternative - at least for a few years and I don't know that we, as fans, or Bayless himself have the patience to wait for him to [hopefully] develop into the player some of us think he can be. If he had a solid offensive game, I'd say he could be a fireplug off the bench who also contributes in other ways but again, with some exceptions, he offensive game this year seemed to be lacking. Perhaps I don't have the vision, or patience, some of you have and you may come back next year (or later) and rag me for my current view but only time will tell. I'm glad I'm not the GM trying to make the decision (and you probably are too!). Gramps...
A Chris Montor associated group also has rankings of the top point guards: RANK NAME HT WT CLASS/AGE SCHOOL/COUNTRY 1 Ricky Rubio 6-4 180 18 Spain 2 Tyreke Evans 6-6 220 FR Memphis 3 Stephen Curry 6-3 185 JR Davidson 4 Jrue Holiday 6-4 200 FR UCLA 5 Brandon Jennings 6-2 165 19 Italy 6 Jonny Flynn 6-0 175 SO Syracuse 7 Jeff Teague 6-2 180 SO Wake Forest 8 Ty Lawson 5-11 195 JR North Carolina 9 Eric Maynor 6-3 175 SR VA Commonwealth 10 Patrick Mills 5-11 175 SO St. Mary's (CA) http://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/2/868443.html Looking at the 2008 rankings by this group, they had Batum as the best SF. I suspect that this group does its rankings independently rather than engage in "the group thinking" that probably is taking place elsewhere.
So why would any of the guys in the current draft class be any different? Bayless has shown with consistant PT that he can do this. In 20 mpg 9.5 ppg 3.0 apg 2.0 rpg 4.2 FTA pg This as a rookie on a slow assed paced team. I am pretty sure that if any of the PG's in the incoming class did that for Portland we would be declaring them the second coming of God almighty himself. I will also bring up the Nate factor for uncle Ty and others. Sergio and Bayless have both had a really hard time under Nate and his style of play. The PG I think you and a lot of people want could not play under Nate as effectively as we would all like because Nate doesn;t like mistakes and wants the PG to play under control at the cost of getting easy baskets. For example, I doube Chris Paul would be as flashy in Portland because that's not the style Nate wants. I'm not bashing Nate for this. It's his style and so be it, but the PG that does well here will be a lot like Steve Blake. Doesn't do anything to really help you win or lose. Chris Paul by the way played almost exactly double what Bayless averaged during the stretch that Blake was hurt. A simple comparison shows that Bayless might not be as bad as you think. PPG: C. Paul 22.8 Bayless 19.0 APG: C. Paul 11.0 Bayless 6.0 RPG: C. Paul 5.5 Bayless 4.0 FTA pg: C. Paul 6.7 Bayless 8.4 Keep in mind this is the premier PG in the NBA I am comparing Bayless, a rookie and 3rd or 4th option, with.
Yeah I went back and looked at both Sergio and Jerryd's splits for the season and that stretch of fifteen games when Blake went out with his bum shoulder really jumped out. I don't think either separated themselves from the other, but both were more efficient with their shot as the minutes went up, although Sergio seemed to become more turnover prone and his assist rate took a dip, Jerryd on the other hand had a better assist rate as time wore on (although he was still pretty turnover prone). Call me crazy, but I think that if you give Jerryd a clearly defined role next year with a steady diet of fifteen to eighteen minutes per game (assuming he earns them) I have the feeling he'll be able to do some good things ... those "good things" might not include really running the offense like a true point guard, but I'll bet he's able be much more efficient than this season's total averages and probably give you a good 4 FTAs per game and some scoring pop off the bench. I'll take a second year Jerryd without rookie-itis over almost all of the point guards in this draft (except perhaps Rubio).
Brandon Jennings at 7!? Sign me up! (And Ford doesn't even mention him in the first paragraph as one of the PGs that missed the combine. Out of sight, out of mind?)
So you're saying you wouldn't take him if he fell out of the lottery? [video=youtube;qeeoFwv-Ctg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeoFwv-Ctg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeoFwv-Ctg[/video] You realize that Jerryd Bayless doesn't have a jump shot, right? (Not to mention Rajon Rondo.)
Anyone have a thought they'd like to share about whether or not the better Euro teams are good choices for players like Jennings b/c they preach fundamentals? Or did he waste a year?
Jerry Bayless shot 40.7% from 3pt in college. Brandon Jennings shot 26.8% from 3pt in Europe I think the FIBA line is actually a tad shorter than the college line as well. Brandon Roy made several references this past summer about how Jerryd Bayless would shoot, and everything would go in. Then came the mind games, and his confidence as well as his shot started to suffer. Summer league Jerryd Bayless shot 43% by the way
Well, if we want to get technical, your numbers are off. Bayless in games where he played 15-19 minutes: Record: 4-4 PPG: 4.25 APG: 1.0 RPG: 1.0 TO: 1.5 STL: .625 In games where he played 20 minutes or more: Record: 6-4 PPG: 11.0 APG: 3.5 RPG: 2.1 TO: 1.4 STL: .5 The big difference between wins and losses (in the 20+ minute comparo) is in the PG categories (Win / Loss): APG: 4.8 / 1.5 TO: .8 / 2.25 In games where Bayless got 20+ minutes, he averaged the same points as Blake, fewer assists, fewer rebounds, slightly better on TO (1.4 to 1.6) and fewer steals (.5 to 1.0). What about Sergio (as long as we're using stats, let's compare!): Sergio - games 15-19 minutes: Record: 20-4 PPG: 5.5 APG: 3.8 RPG: 1.8 TO: 1.9 STL: 1.0 Sergio - 20+ minutes Record: 9-9 PPG: 7.4 APG: 5.9 RPG: 2.8 TO: 2.1 Stl: .9 Interesting that in the 20+ wins vs losses for Sergio his assists jump (7.1 vs. 4.8) as do his turnovers (3.0 vs. 1.1). So, let's compare Sergio to Bayless (strictly by the numbers): In 15-19 minutes: Record: Sergio PPG: Sergio APG: Sergio (nearly 4x) RPG: Sergio TO: Sergio Stl: Sergio In games of 20 minutes or more: Record: Bayless (nearly 1/2 the sample size - 10 vs. 18 games) PPG: Bayless APG: Sergio RPG: Sergio TO: Sergio Stl: Sergio Summary?????? Maybe Sergio is ideal as a backup PG? As has been alluded to here, Nate's style of play seems to hamper Sergio. In his 20+ minute games, when the Blazers won Sergio was more "free" with the ball garnering both more assists and more turnovers. On the other hand, Bayless is a rookie with, we believe, more upside. Overall, I'd just as soon see Sergio gone and I still have no attachment to Bayless. I wouldn't mind seeing another PG drafted. Gramps...
Those numbers are fun Gramps. I was simply using the block of games Blake was injured with his shoulder. The games where Bayless knew he was going to play consistant minutes.
That's a nice video... I have one too [video=youtube;fcqe9UXkc8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqe9UXkc8o[/video]
The best part about that, regardless of who someone might me arguing for, is that you could literally put the face of one on the others body and have the exact same video.
