I'd build my team around Chris Bosh more but not by much. He can go up strong, drive it, get the foul and shoot & he's already the leader on his team. He's improving his mid range right now. If he bulks up he can be a Top 5 PF in the leauge.Carmelo is not off by much for me. He's clutch, he can shoot, He drives it in and he can lead his team. And he has a bright future ahead of him.
Hm to start a team It might have to be bosh. Hes a great big man and can score rebound block shots move back to shoot the 15 footer. Melo is becomen a great player though. Hes the best clutch player this season.But If i was to take bosh over melo bosh we have to get a little more bigger.
Why? He just needs to bulk up a little more. KG has done fine and he is only 220 pounds. Bosh is 235. Bosh as a human, just has a skinny build naturally. He tried his hardest to bulk up in the off-season. As long as he plays PF I don't think it is an issue.
Yea. Kobe doesn't look that big, but he's real strong. I've been heavily working out the past few moths, and while I look no different, I feel much stronger. Like CB4 said, Bosh is jus naturally skinny.I'd take Bosh. Yes Carmleo is a great player, but Bosh is a rare 20 and 10 guy who will only continue to improve. Carmelo hasn't shown much improvement in his overall game except in clutch situations.
This is very tough.Popular opinion would be to pick Bosh, but i'm gonna go the other way. Bosh doesn't play the way where he can actually dominate the game. Yes, he gets very good stats, but he doesn't make as much of an impact in the actual game. He shoots alot of midrange shots, he's not the kind of post up guy. He is like a lowpost compliment, but with a whole lot more talent. He is still very young, so he could bulk up and start playing inside, but i don't know if he will.Also, Carmelo has shown he can win. He is incredible in the clutch already, and the sky is the limit for him. In a few years, he could easily by scoring 30+ a night. When he was drafted, Denver made the biggest jump record wise in the league, and his team made the playoffs. Bosh is still lottery-bound. You can use the supporting cast excuse, but Bosh did have Vince Carter. Vince was pouting after they started losing, so you can't use the excuse that he was just a bad influence.I'll post more later.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 1 2006, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is very tough.Popular opinion would be to pick Bosh, but i'm gonna go the other way. Bosh doesn't play the way where he can actually dominate the game. Yes, he gets very good stats, but he doesn't make as much of an impact in the actual game. He shoots alot of midrange shots, he's not the kind of post up guy. He is like a lowpost compliment, but with a whole lot more talent. He is still very young, so he could bulk up and start playing inside, but i don't know if he will.Also, Carmelo has shown he can win. He is incredible in the clutch already, and the sky is the limit for him. In a few years, he could easily by scoring 30+ a night. When he was drafted, Denver made the biggest jump record wise in the league, and his team made the playoffs. Bosh is still lottery-bound. You can use the supporting cast excuse, but Bosh did have Vince Carter. Vince was pouting after they started losing, so you can't use the excuse that he was just a bad influence.I'll post more later.</div>I watch a lot of Raptors game and I can honestly say that bosh is good inside as well. He is now posting up alot more and working on his inside skills.He is very quick and able to get around folks and lay it in. And he is very good on put backs because he is so athletic, he can just slam it home. He also is dunking alot more now. He will dunk 2,3 times a day. He is so athletic and quick that it is quite easy for him to get inside and slam it home. Bosh is still young so he still has alot of time to work on his inside game but I'm telling you that it is steadily improving. Bosh has also improved his rebounding since he's been in the League. He puts all his effort into grabbing boards. He has long lanky arms so that helps him get rebounds. He had like 17 the other night.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 1 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watch a lot of Raptors game and I can honestly say that bosh is good inside as well. He is now posting up alot more and working on his inside skills.He is very quick and able to get around folks and lay it in. And he is very good on put backs because he is so athletic, he can just slam it home. He also is dunking alot more now. He will dunk 2,3 times a day. He is so athletic and quick that it is quite easy for him to get inside and slam it home. Bosh is still young so he still has alot of time to work on his inside game but I'm telling you that it is steadily improving. Bosh has also improved his rebounding since he's been in the League. He puts all his effort into grabbing boards. He has long lanky arms so that helps him get rebounds. He had like 17 the other night.</div>yes, he does have some good inside moves, but he doesn't play inside as i personally would like him to. He does drive to the basket well, especially on the baseline. I honestly don't know what dunking the ball has to do with any of this, but oh well. I realize that Bosh is a good player, but i don't like his style in particular. I believe a big man should post up first, and go outside if needed. That's just me.
Agreed. This is as close a comparison as they come. Should be fun. (Yes that did ryhme) I disagree. Anyone who can block two shots a game, rebound the ball 10 times and score 20 points on 50% shooting will affect a game more than a player who can only score. All Anthony does is shoot midrange shots. Bosh however, does post up, and has a wide arsenal of moves not 10 NBA players can match Wait, a guy who is 22 years old, averaging 20 and 10, and has gotten bigger every year in the NBA is a low post compliment? And you don't think he'll get bigger? That year the Raptors were in the Playoffs until both Carter and Jalen Rose missed about 10 games in a row. That year, Bosh was also a rookie, and was nothing compared to what he is now. That's like comparing Kevin Garnett in his first year to the Tim Duncan of now.I agree Carmelo Anthony is a superior scorer and clutch player, but Bosh is a guy who gets you 20+ and 10RPG, on 50% shooting and 2 blocks per game. While Melo influences the game in terms of scoring, Bosh influences it in every way. He is a willing passer, scorer inside through post ups (Even though he doesn't do it as much as he should), outside through jumpers, and is a much better defensive influence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 1 2006, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. This is as close a comparison as they come. Should be fun. (Yes that did ryhme)I disagree. Anyone who can block two shots a game, rebound the ball 10 times and score 20 points on 50% shooting will affect a game more than a player who can only score.All Anthony does is shoot midrange shots. Bosh however, does post up, and has a wide arsenal of moves not 10 NBA players can matchWait, a guy who is 22 years old, averaging 20 and 10, and has gotten bigger every year in the NBA is a low post compliment? And you don't think he'll get bigger?That year the Raptors were in the Playoffs until both Carter and Jalen Rose missed about 10 games in a row. That year, Bosh was also a rookie, and was nothing compared to what he is now. That's like comparing Kevin Garnett in his first year to the Tim Duncan of now.I agree Carmelo Anthony is a superior scorer and clutch player, but Bosh is a guy who gets you 20+ and 10RPG, on 50% shooting and 2 blocks per game. While Melo influences the game in terms of scoring, Bosh influences it in every way. He is a willing passer, scorer inside through post ups (Even though he doesn't do it as much as he should), outside through jumpers, and is a much better defensive influence.</div>I know he effects the game, but what i really meant to say is he doesn't dominate it. you would think a player with his stats would be involved in almost every play, but it's not quite like that.I know Melo shoots alot of jumpshots, but i wasn't really somparing them when i said that about Bosh. I was saying that bc i don't think big men you start a franchise with should shoot jumpshots (don't throw the dirk example at me, he's one of a kind).Really, if i honestly had to start a franchise right now, and i had to choose between the two, i would probably choose Bosh. I just wanted to give an argument for Melo, get some activity in here.Tony, i need reinforcements!
I have to go with Melo. I've seen Bosh play alot since I live in Canada and he isn't someone I would build around. He hasn't really taken control and sometimes does not show up in big games. Plus personally, I would build around a undersized PF.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Apr 2 2006, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to go with Melo. I've seen Bosh play alot since I live in Canada and he isn't someone I would build around. He hasn't really taken control and sometimes does not show up in big games. Plus personally, I would build around a undersized PF.</div>He doesn't show up in big games? He plays his best against tough teams and tough matchups. I can show you game logs if you would like.
I would build my team around Chris Bosh. Hes a young star at PF which is harder to find than a SG/SF like Melo. He has the size and fundamentals that you need for the PF position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Apr 2 2006, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to go with Melo. I've seen Bosh play alot since I live in Canada and he isn't someone I would build around. He hasn't really taken control and sometimes does not show up in big games. Plus personally, I would build around a undersized PF.</div>Last year against Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Drik Nowitzki he averaged 22+ PPG and 10 RPG. That's not showing up against the best opposition?Plus, he's simply never had a team good enough to get him to the big stage, so how do we know what kind of player he is in those circumstances?
I'm bring this back from the dead (mainly because CB4 said Bosh>Melo in another thread).I like Chris Bosh as a player, he is good. But putting up 20 and 10 means little if your team continually loses (ask Shareef Abdul Raheem). If Bosh is so good his team should at least be able to compete in the lesser Eastern Conference and they don't. 'Melo has lead his team in the much tougher (1-15) Western Conference from his rookie year. Yes he has a good supporting cast, but it was 'Melo that had lead the team. It wasn't like James, Peterson, and Charlie V are chopped liver, especially in the East.By all accounts 'Melo has outplayed Bosh this summer and the past three years.And to whomever said Melo didn't improve last year didn't watch many games. He was better at getting to the basket, shooting, drawing fouls, defense, and leading. And even with all their injuries they competed and got into the playoffs.
WTF? How was Bosh supposed to lead the Raptors to the playoffs? First of all, they havnt had a good passing pg since the Alvin Williams days. And their coach is one of the worst in the League. You yourself said that that was an okay allaby for J Rich not leading his team to the playoffs. Also the Raptors suck at defense and they didnt even have a Center.To show you how sh*tty the Raps are without Bosh, they went 1-12 when Bosh was injured. Carmelo has a much better team, and if he played for the Raps, he wouldnt be able to do anything either.Besides scoring, and outside shooting, Melo has nothing on Bosh playing wise. And you could say that against KG and Duncan too, but that wouldnt mean Melo was the better player. Bosh is the complete package at PF, and the better player.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo hands down but I respect Bosh</div>I dont even know what to say to you without shouting blatant insults.
Not a surprising response from you. I never said they had to make the playoffs, but I did say the needed to compete and they never did. There are a lot of PF's that don't play with pass first PG's (Duncan, Brand?). Bosh needs other scorers and they had it. Compete, that is all I'm asking. And they barely compete.Melo is a complete player too and his results show it. I never said he was close to KG or Duncan and neither is Bosh. even if you would like to think so. Also since when was Jeff Bzdelik a good coach? Yes Melo went to the playoffs with Bzdelik as his head coach.
