Merged: Anyone else raise some eyebrows over this? / Oden and Bayless working out

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  1. hasoos

    hasoos Well-Known Member

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    There are no advanced moves besides "Winging it." The fundamentals and having the athletic ability to use your footwork is all a big man needs on offense. You develope your go to moves on your own, depending on what you are comfortable with. A drop step is a drop step. Pick and roll is pick and roll. Footwork and position are what get you good looks, and leave you in a good spot to rebound if your shot is off target. Once you get that, and know where to expect players to be to pass out of the post, and your good to go.
     
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    Hooking your opponents arm the right way, drawing offensive fouls, possitioning for rebounds to draw fouls. Those are a few moves a proven NBA vet could teach Greg.
     
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    It seems to me Mo Lucas should be able to handle that. So in other words, you want him to learn the "crafty veteran defensive tricks".
     
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    It seems to me Mo should've been able to handle that as well, but clearly he couldn't.
     
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    Tiger Woods hires a private coach now and then I am sure he knows the fundamentals of his sport. Nothing wrong with another pair of eyes. But most of it will in deed come down to his own private work in the gym. He needs to put in hours and hours. Bayless will help for sure. At least in June.

    This whole squat debate is kind of ridiculous IMO. Power Lifting on a bad knee can't be safe. He was doing other exercises that were safer at the time. It's like some of you keep forgetting how long it requires to come back from this surgery. I'm just glad he did not need his knee cleaned out this summer like so many predicted after his injury in February.
    Remember the whole "Season Ticket Renewal' conspiracy? As far as I can see, he continues to be right on schedule.
     
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    Mo has been sick a lot. Like a ton. So I think he gets some slack.
     
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    I know he has been sick, but he wasn't sick early. Just like PG, Blake is a good guy, but if somoene can make us better get him. I think someone can make GO better, and the Blazers should get that person.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    He had a bout with Sarcoidosis (the disease that killed Bernie Mac) very early in the year and then got diagnosed with cancer in the second half of the year. I don't recall the exact timeline, but off-hand I'd say he missed 85% of the team's organized activities and season.
     
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    I don't think this is at all accurate. It's true that fundamentals are critical, and that everything should be build on that solid foundation, but I don't buy that players just freestyle once they know those fundamentals.

    Position based on weight distribution and reacting to different situations that the defense puts you into can easily be considered more advanced techniques that big men have to learn.

    There is a heck of a lot more to being a dominant big guy in the NBA than just knowing how to do the pick and roll like everyone else or knowing the same drop step.

    Ed O.
     
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    Well I guess I do learn something new every day. I had to wikipedia it.........

    The squat is a lower body exercise used in strength training. It is also a competitive lift in powerlifting and an essential movement in the sport of weightlifting. The exercise's main emphasis is on the quadriceps and the glutes, but it also involves the hamstrings, the calves, and the lower back. The squat is often called "the king of exercises" by those who believe it capable of inducing more and faster muscle growth than any other exercise.[1]

    The squat is performed by bending the legs at the knees and hips, lowering the torso between the legs, and then reversing direction to stand up straight again. The torso leans forward to maintain balance. It acts as a supporting structure, unlike its role in the deadlift. Proper technique is critical, otherwise very serious injuries or gradual injury over a period of time can occur. The back must maintain its natural curvature and not "round out" (excessive lumbar or thoracic kyphosis), otherwise excess strain can be placed on the spine and cause serious injury. Lifting belts can be used to help support the lower back.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Like any kind of weight lifting the kinds of weight and the numbers of reps has more to do with what constitutes "power lifting" than the actual exercise. If you are trying to develop power you do less reps and more weight, if you want endurance you do high reps and less weight.

    The truth is that we don't know what Greg is doing. But the fact that he's doing them should be seen as a good sign that his knee is fully healthy and ready to really be worked.
     

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