Zombie Rush the Stimulus Package...don't read it, just pass it!

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  1. BTOWN_HUSTLA

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    But the spending wasn't emergency spending.

    Your house may be on fire, a real emergency, but it doesn't make sense to go charge up your credit cards buying a new car (not related to putting out the fire).

    http://www.thecapitol.net/glossary/def.htm#Emergency_Spending

    "Emergency" Spending:
    Spending with the "emergency" designation does not count against budget caps. While often used for one-time, unforeseen events, this designation has also been used to circumvent budget limits. For example, spending for the census has been designated as "emergency" spending. (Source: CQ Today)

    http://www.eyeonthestatehouse.org/2008/03/13/curbing-emergency-spending/

    As part of the debate over the Congressional budget resolution, Ohio Senator George Voinovich introduced an amendment to curb “emergency” spending. Trying to eliminate the abuse of this type of spending is long overdue.

    The federal budget process is a complicated one. If Congress wants to spend money, it must comply with a variety of rules. However, there are a variety of loopholes that make federal spending easier. One of the most abused is “emergency” appropriations. By labeling something “emergency” spending, Congress can bypass ordinary rules and essentially spend money “off budget.”
    Senator Voinovich’s office put it in this way:
    If spending is designated as “emergency,” it is exempted from budget controls and spending limits. An example of the sort of emergency spending that concerns Sen. Voinovich is the designation of funding for the 2000 Census as emergency, even though the U.S. Constitution has required a census every 10 years since 1790.
    Congressman Ron Paul describes it in these terms:
    Congress funds the federal government through 13 enormous appropriations bills, but even an annual budget of more than $2 trillion is not enough to satisfy Washington’s appetite for new spending. As a result, a new category of spending bill has emerged, known as the “emergency supplemental” appropriation.

    There’s no real emergency, however; Congress simply needs a 14th spending bill as a grab bag filled with hundreds of pages of goodies for countless favored groups, industries, individual companies, and foreign governments. It’s common for dozens of amendments to be added to the supplemental bill, all with more money for somebody.

    So-called emergency supplemental spending bills, once a rarity, have become the norm over the last ten years in Washington. There’s always some excuse why Congress cannot stick to its budget, so supplemental bills are passed to permit spending extra “off-budget” funds. “Emergency” spending now has become routine, planned spending.
    Finding a way to curb this abuse of the budget process is an imortant step in restoring fiscal discipline.
     
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    Ok, whatever. This seems pretty much unrelated to the topic at hand. If the census - the single most predictable spending item there could possibly be - is funded via emergency funding, then whether or not the stimulus is funded by emergency funding is pretty much irrelevant.

    I don't see that it really makes any difference. The spending caps that Congress exceeds with emergency funding are caps they set themselves, so putting it into the regular budget is only going to change the label.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right. In this case, the 2nd wrong is a disaster.

    Speaking of disasters, Katrina/New Orleans is worthy of the emergency designation. Funding a war effort is worthy of the designation.

    Funding "shovel ready" projects for the next election year that have nothing to do with stimulating an economy in "crisis" is beyond folly.
     
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    Trend is getting worse instead of better, and now the unemployment rate is actually higher than Obama predicted if this scam of a "stimulus" wasn't rushed through Congress.

    Unreal

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    That's great that you don't blame it on Bush, but Obama does and takes every opportunity to talk about the mess he "inheriited". I have to wonder, what the hell did the guy do as a Senator for four years; two of which (and the worst economically) in the MAJORITY. Sit with his thumb up his ass? As we near 10% unemployment this summer, and as gas prices again reach $4/gallon, I'm guessing shit will start to hit the fan.
     
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    Of course he does. First of all, he did inherit it and second of all, it's good politics. He's a politician. The previous administration placed the blame for 9/11 on Clinton and that happened deeper into their term.

    He spent it being one out of a hundred members of one-half of the Congress. Certainly much more power than any of us, but hardly enough to guide the direction of the nation himself. Besides which, most economists say this disaster has been building for much more than four years.
     
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    Unfortunately, Obama's taken a smoldering fire and poured trillions of $dollars on it to turn it into an out of control raging fire.
     
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    The two massive spending bills that no one read and rushed to sign into law that I have so far lived through has done different things to my local library:

    The first one allowed government agents to look at my library records, the second gave my library a new eco-efficient roof!
     
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    Yes, I am quoting myself, but worst-case unemployment without the "Stimulus" scam was to be 8.8 %. We are now at 9.4, above what Obama predicted would happen without rushing through this debt buster.

    Will anyone defend this bill?
     
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    Amtrak like all public transportation is not designed to make a profit. It's designed to get people around who have no other way to get around as well as relieve traffic congestion. The more paying customers it gets the less public support it requires.
     
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    Of course it's an emergency. Haven't you read about our 3 Million plus who are now newly unemployed?
    If not for the Covid19 emergency I would suggest getting out more often.
     
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    Lanny, These posts are from 2009.
     
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    The latest bill is 1,000 pages. I grew weary just reading the first 50 pages of the Republican version. Long bills are one of the reasons Congressmen have staffs.
     
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    Holy ahir. I have never seen them before. Why would someone renew a thread that old?

    Edit:
    What's going on? I would never say 'ahir' mean I mean 'shit' as in "Holy shit."
     
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    Please don't be offended at this, but I think you might have clicked on a link that sent you there. As it appears you were the one who revived the 2009 thread. Before your post here about amtrak a few minutes ago the last one was 2009 by papag.
     
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    No, it was in the list of current subject threads.
     
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    I'm not sure what to tell you. Anyways it's a thread from 2009 we can move on. :)
     
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    Yes, we can move on but it's near the top of my list of current threads. How could this happen? That's got me baffled. And why do I see it but you don't? Ah, life's mysteries.
     
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