Warriors Get: Baron Davis (4 yrs left) # 1 Pick LA Clippers Get: Brandan Wright Corey Maggette (4 yrs left) CJ Watson # 7 Pick Would Clippers do it though?
Don't think the Clippers would and I don't think the Warriors would either. Baron's contract is one of the worst in the NBA, even worse than Maggette's. That is really going to haunt for years and I suspect we'd end up buying him out of it because no other team is going to take it. Plus, Nellie will probably be gone after next year. Baron would get even older and his PT would decrease even more. Will Nelson's successor be able to tell him to sit? I doubt it. It could end ugly, really ugly, look at Baron's history. So no, I don't want Baron back. It's like getting back with your old girlfriend, it's great for a few weeks and then you are asking yourself "What the hell am I doing here? There's a reason I dumped this bitch before and nothing has changed!" (sorry for the languange ladies, but I thought it was dramatically necessary) Griffin makes it tempting but I still wouldn't do it. Rubio should be available more cheaply and we need him more IMO. Also, isn't Watson a free agent now?
I wonder what a realistic trade scenario with Memphis would look like. I was initially thinking Monta for the #2 and filler, but why would Memphis take on combo guard, unproven PG in Monta when they already have O.J. Mayo? Might as well take Rubio for less money and a player that's a proven pass-first PG.
They might like that. Memphis keeps saying that they see Mayo as their future PG, so Monta could be the perfect type of player to pair with him. He can guard the PGs while Mayo runs the offense. But I don't think I'd trade Monta for a rookie, not without unloading a bad contract.
For the #2 pick, I'd probably give up any one player but Randolph. Yes, this includes Beans and Monta, but I don't think they'd be interested in Beans since they have M. Gasol. With all due respect to Monta, he's still an unproven PG with a large contract, and we need a proven PG (yes, I realize Rubio isn't NBA proven, but he's proven he can play the PG position to its truest form). I wouldn't call it a bad contract, but it's big enough where we probably wouldn't be able to add another player with a bad contract (Maggette, Crawford, Jackson).
I'd rather trade something more reasonable (Jamal Crawford and Wright) for Kirk Hinrich. The original trade idea, I don't think the Clippers would do. But if the Warriors ended up with Baron Davis and Blake Griffin while getting rid of only Corey Maggette, CJ Watson, Brandan Wright, and the 7th pick in the draft, that would be incredible and perhaps cause for investigation of highway robbery. There is no reason for the Clippers to do this, unless if they want to continue to be a mockery of the NBA.
^^what clif said... hell yeah i'd do it!! sure the baron contract sucks, but worse than maggette's?? i dunno. to get griffin AND baron, i'd do it...no question.
Yes, I do think Baron's contract is far worse. Maggette's runs from $8.9M to $10.9M, Baron's runs from $12.2M to $14.9M. So basically you're looking at about $3.3M to $4.0M per year extra for Baron, which should be a total of something like $15M extra over their remaining 4 years. Even in the NBA, that's not chump change. That much money could easily be the difference between Randolph (and/or Griffin) re-signing with the Warriors or walking, for example. Griffin's rookie contract would also be rather expensive as the #1 pick. Probably worth it, but it puts the squeeze on a team already cap-challenged. And I don't believe Baron will be healthy enough to produce anywhere near what we're paying him in that time, not to mention what I said earlier about what happens with Baron when Nellie leaves in a year? Baron is fool's gold and I don't want any part of him with that contract, not even with Griffin. Maggette is tradable, Baron is not, not to any team in the NBA.
Hmm, not sure how reasonable that is. From a talent standpoint, yes, Hinrich would be a nice player to have. But his contract is fairly big too. And as Denny said, no way the Bulls would do it. It's unreasonable for the Bulls in so many ways. I'm trying to be somewhat realistic (trade ideas are never realistic anyway). I think you need to give up something you typically don't want to give up to get something in return. In this EXAMPLE, I choose Ellis.
I hear you. I am just not sure about trading him for a draft pick, even of Rubio's ability. I'd be interested in trading Ellis for an all-star big like Bosh and Amare. Bosh may be somewhat available, but he is most likely going for free agency after this coming season, as Amare may, so they are kind of risky moves too. I guess also I haven't done so much research on Rubio, but from what I can tell I don't think it's a great idea. But that may be from my ignorance.
The Warriors financial situation is less than ideal. I'd say, it sucks. They have 4 large, long-term contracts in Beans, Monta, Sjax, and Maggette. The latter two were completely unnecessary. None of these players are all-stars. I guess you can argue that point, but the fact is, they're not all-stars. But they're getting paid all-star money. Monta's young, exciting, awesome, all of those things, but he's not what the Warriors desperately need. The Warriors desperately want him to become what they need, a PG. It's too much of an unknown. Do we, as fans, have to sit for another year of experimentation? I don't want to see Monta in another jersey. Ideally, we'd be trading Maggette or Crawford (depending on what he does). But, there is so little appeal in those players. Not even for a rookie. The Spaniards, as much as I think they're a bunch of arrogant f/cks (no offense), can play bball. I think it would be worth taking the risk to get Rubio at all costs except Randolph, since I believe Randolph actually fulfills one of the Warriors needs, a legit PF.
I hear you. Jackson's contract is not too bad. He actually put up really good numbers last year and I think he'd be valuable to playoff teams like the Spurs, Rockets, etc. Biedrins has a very good contract for a young center with the potential and ability he has. For example Biedrins' contract is much better than Bynum's as well as Dalembert's (I can't really think of a center whose contract is better than Andris'). He was playing close to all-star status at the beginning of last season, until he ran out of gas and got a couple injuries that put him back some. Maggette's contract, I don't like, just as basically everyone else. He will be difficult to move, no doubt. Hadn't Utah always been a fan of theirs? I don't think they'd take his contract though. Monta Ellis is Monta Ellis. I think he's a great asset for the team. I agree with you that we shouldn't be turning down potential trade opportunities involving Ellis. I am not against that. I just don't think the Ellis for Rubio idea is very good. But I will confess that I do not know much about the Rubio kid. I'd rather see the Warriors try to get someone by giving up less, or if they are trading Ellis for a PG, the PG better be real good. There seems to be a lot of PGs available this offseason both in the draft and free agency that can probably be obtained without letting Ellis go, which would be more ideal IMO. Or maybe Rubio will fall in the draft and the Warriors can to a draft trade up fewer spots while trading fewer assets for him.
I don't know that much about Rubio either except what I saw in the olympics and on YouTube. Most scouts say he's the real deal though. I am for the Warriors to conduct good business practices. Giving less for more is always better. But, consider the Warriors situation. They're a bad team with several bad contracts. How much worse can you get? Please don't answer that
I don't feel like it's necessary to include Monta, Andris, or Randolph to get Rubio (nor do I favor that). We should be able to put together a package that involves some combination of Wright, Belinelli, Azubuike, and our #7 pick to get it done. That's a lot of young talent to choose from for an interested team. If they are demanding Monta, Andris, or Randolph, then I would pass. The only exception might be if someone was willing to take some bad contracts off our hands in addition to Rubio. Would I trade Monta to get Rubio and dump Maggette/Craw? Maybe. Another possible piece to involve is Turiaf. Now I'm a big fan of Turiaf, he was fantastic last year. However, the fact is he's a bench player and I've been saying all along that the Warriors need to form a strong starting lineup before they go for a strong bench. A strong bench is what you work on as one of the final pieces when you're ready to contend, and the Warriors aren't there yet. I don't want Turiaf to go (same as Wright/Beli/Azu), but I think his trade value is probably pretty high right now, and his contract is looking very reasonable.
I feel that the #7 pick is worthless to other teams. Packaging that with a bunch of good role players is not very enticing when Memphis can get one potential star player.
Baron's for three years and he'll be a big expiring his last year. I think we have to take Baron back if we want Griffin. I think the Clips are one team that might be interested in dealing with the Warriors. Who were you going to draft at # 2? Harden? I agree Memphis is more likely to be a trade partner than OKC (they want to take a draft pick or move up and take one) or the Kings (same conference), but I don't think we have anything they want. If we can't make a deal with the Clips, then likely we'll have to go for a vet like Chris Bosh..
Very impressive. He put up good numbers besides his 2 point shooting accuracy is very low, which I thought went with what the video was showing us. But he averaged high assist numbers, high steals (I think I read he was defensive player of the year or something, maybe not from a reliable source), and he has a high 3 point FG%. His FT shooting is solid for the ACB stats too. He looks like Jason Williams but perhaps with better defense, and maybe taller (I don't remember how tall Jason Williams is, but Rubio is 6-4 which is quite tall for PG).
