Dave @ BE: Trade Idea (Prince & Hinrich)

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  1. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    ding ding ding. tell'm what he's won bob ...

    All he has to do is come in and blend in on offense, hit the open shots, help create a little for our other weapons. Defensively is where he'll prove the most valuable, especially when going up against Denver and LA.
     
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    If we don't improve in 2 years from where we are right now, then he better look at trading more than Rudy. No improvement out of our squad in two years, I find it hard to believe simply moving a backup SG will all of a sudden make us championship contenders.

    Anyways, I'm with Odenisgod, Rudy aint going anywhere.
     
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    If Hinrich was our starting PG next season, I would be seriously depressed. He is overrated by most on Blazer boards.
     
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    Rudy Martell and Outlaw for Prince?
    2 of the 3, but not all 3
     
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  5. Crimson the Cat

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    and the #15 pick. That has to be added in or this doesn't pass the sniff test.
     
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    this trade works for me ... question is, who knows if it works for Chicago or Detroit :dunno:
     
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    Not sure I like it. I love the incoming players but our 2nd unit would really lack scoring. Since we'd be getting Prince I would prefer we include Batum (one of my favorite players) in the deal and take Rudy out. Losing Rudy, Webster and Travis would severaly hurt our offense.
     
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    Tayshaun is on the block from what I hear. Many Detroit fans are sick of him. His defense has been lacking and he's been a ghost on the floor. They already consider him gone after the season. And he just doesn't want to be there anymore.
     
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    prince vs hedo? i would go with hedo....

    hiendrick? he is ok not much of an upgrade to blake....really.
     
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    I think Bayless and Ellington could make up for that. Besides how much offense do we need when we're up by 30 every night after the 1st quarter? ;)
     
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    The Bulls might do this trade, as it takes $4.5M off their books and the rumor is that Hinrich will be gone for sure.

    The big rumor to date has been Hinrich to Minny for #6, which would save them even more. But they'd have to sign that #6 which would eat up ~$2M+ of the savings. It's probably worth it to pay an extra $2M for a guy you know can be backup PG to Rose.
     
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    One thing that occurred to me was that if we did send Sergio to the Knicks for their traded-player exception, and we made the move for Kirk below, we'd still have $1.7M in cap space.
     
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    Actually if you look at the life of the contracts, the Bulls would save $22.5M. And that move would likely save more than just the $4.5 difference in salary this season, but also get them under the lower luxury tax threshold, where before they may have had an additional $3M in tax. Savings for this season could be as much as $7.5M.

    I don't understand how Minnesota does this though. They definitely can't do it before July 1st. If we assume the salary cap is going to be set for next year at $57M and they have committed salary and cap holds (from their three 1st round draft picks) of $55.4M, that leaves them with $1.6M in cap space. They can't absorb the additional salary.
     
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    http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php#jump_MIN

    Looks to me like they're $10M under the cap before cap holds and adjustment to the cap.

    If Minny drafts for the Bulls then trades the player, the Bulls would be taking back $2.5M or so.

    I don't think the life of the contract is the issue for the Bulls. They do need cap space right now if they want to make Ben Gordon a decent sized offer. But next season, the Bulls have $25M coming off the books in Jerome James, Tim Thomas, and Brad Miller.

    I'd love to see them offer Deng and some of that expiring to Toronto for Bosh.
     
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    Kahn addressed season ticket holders:

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    I'm high on Bayless but I really doubt he can produce what Travis and Rudy produce off the bench especially in his 2nd year.
     
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    Thanks for the link. Those figures are different from Storyteller's site. I'll have to explore this one. I like how it's organized better, but there's no color coding either.
     
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    Sweet!
     
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    I've never been that impressed with Hinrich. I know he's made a few all-nba defensive teams, but I have just never been that impressed with him when I see the Bulls play.

    He reminds me of Greg Anthony...in that he's a good backup type player. On that same note, Blake is also backup material, but I'd hope we could use our cap space on a someone who really deserves that kind of money, like Artest, Hedo...or maybe even Andre Miller.
     
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