Are the Nets contenders or pretenders?

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    Are the Nets for real?They are currently on a 12 game winning streak and they look amazing, There defense has been awesome. They are holding teams to 81 points per game.Notable games during this streak:They beat Memphis by 12.Memphis was on a small streak of there own before the Nets beat them. They are a bonafide playoff team in the west.They beat Phoenix by 38!!!!!!!!!!!Beat Detroit by 5Beat Dallas by 11They beat Miami by 12Thats taking out the top 2 teams out east and the 1st and 3rd best team out west.
     
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    Dallas had four injuries, though, lol.I think they're in the same situation as Dallas last season.Dallas ended the season last year at 16-2, and nobody gave them love.Not sure why, but New Jersey is imitating that 16-2 spurt. They're pretenders.Hard to explain, but they're pretenders...
     
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    If they play defense yes they are. Well contenders for the Eastern Conference title. I still dont think they could beat a San Antonio in a 7 game series or a couple other teams out of the West.
     
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    But anybody has to admit their backcourt is NEARLY invincible. Even Kristic is awesome.
     
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    Why are we pretenders? If this was detriot on this streak people would be saying " Look at Detriot nobody is going to beat them, they are championship contenders" But since its the Nets, we are just lucky. And I hate when people say we cant beat Miami or Detroit in a 7 game series. Detroit you have a case, but we went 2-2 against them so dont say its impossible. Miami we beat them 3-1, thats not lucky.
     
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    Yeah, I know, that's what happened to DALLAS! Lolz...they won nine straight to close the year, and went 7-2 before that huge winning streak, and people still said they wouldn't get TOO far, and they didn't!Same thing might happen with New Jersey, but I could see them winning a series over a team like Miami, even.Their backcourt is unstoppable.
     
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    At this point, the nets can beat anyone in this league with the way theyve been playing. These "experts" give the credit to the continued emergence of Krstic, but its not like he came out of nowhere. He has been playing solid and consistently all year, he just continues to add to his repitoure. The key to this team has been the unselfishness exhibited up and down the roster. It starts with the leadership of Carter and Kidd and it trickles down to everyone who takes the court. I will say right now that Carter is playing better than he ever has. Better than his first years in Toronto when he was dubbed "next Jordan". In those days, VC became the incredible, flashy dunker we all know today, yet now, as a Net, he has become a solid defender and terific, unselfish passer who plays with passion and effort every night. The play of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson has been tremendous, and they have all been extremelly unselfish and willing to spread the ball around to create oppurtunities for others. Additionally, Krstic has continued to develop into a top center in this league, stretching out the defense by forcing opposing centers to play him on the perimiter, which in turn opens lanes for Jefferson and Carter to the rim. Along with being a tremendous shooter from as far as 18 feet, Krtic has continued to expand his post game and has established a terrific arsenal of post moves, and additionally, he finishes strong around the hoop, not feering the defense he faces. Also, he has incredibly soft hands and is a great post target for his teamattes. The biggest thing about this streak, however, is the defense the team has exhibited, regardless of who they have faced. During the winning streak, they have held the opposition to under 80 points, forcing their foes to shoot low percentages while taking advantage in the halfcourt with their patient sets on offense. One glaring weakness the Nets have had this season has been the bench, and during this streak, this issue has been improved upon greatly. Frank has mixed up his rotation to keep at least one starter on the court at any time as opposed to subbing in entire units. He tends to take Carter, Kidd or Jefferson out around the 8 minute mark and slowly sends in his reserves one at a time, giving the rest to the starters through the break and several minutes into the second quarter. He has cut the rotation down to Clifford Robinson, Jacque Vaughn, Zoran Planinic and Antoine Wright with occasional minutes to Lamond Murray. Zoran tends to be the one to come in early in games to replace the perimiter players, yet in the second half, it is Wright who starts off the 4th in place of the role Zoran fills in the first. Wright has been excellent defensively and gives a nice boost in the second half, as he becomes more aclimatted to the NBA. Clifford Robinson has been terrific all season and has been great off the bench for us, filling in for Collins and Krstic when they face foul difficulties or are in need of rest. The bench play has been much improved and has shown they can be dependable and can be relied on when the starters need a breather. The changes made in the rotation have helped, and the confidence in the bench has lead to improved performance off the bench, allowing us to keep a high level of play during the time in which starters sit. This team has been playing terrific basketball, and they can beat anybody the way they have played. If they continue this level of play, they can beat anybody come playoff time (note they have already beat Detroit twice and have a 3-1 season series advantage over Miami). Expect a deep run from this Nets team come playoff time, however, dont always believe what those experts tell you about what the reason behind it is. Yes, Krstic has been tremendous, but he isnt souly responsible for this run, it has been a team effort and alot of aspects have contributed to the recent success. I will say that as a Nets fan, I honestly believe this team is better than those that made consecutive finals runs several years ago. The half court offense and defensive assertiveness are in place, and now the team has several true go-to options in late game situations. Although the Nets have been getting alot of press lately, I still think they are hungry and hopefully they continue this high level of play and turn it into a succesful, deep playoff run.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At this point, the nets can beat anyone in this league with the way theyve been playing. These "experts" give the credit to the continued emergence of Krstic, but its not like he came out of nowhere. He has been playing solid and consistently all year, he just continues to add to his repitoure. The key to this team has been the unselfishness exhibited up and down the roster. It starts with the leadership of Carter and Kidd and it trickles down to everyone who takes the court. I will say right now that Carter is playing better than he ever has. Better than his first years in Toronto when he was dubbed "next Jordan". In those days, VC became the incredible, flashy dunker we all know today, yet now, as a Net, he has become a solid defender and terific, unselfish passer who plays with passion and effort every night. The play of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson has been tremendous, and they have all been extremelly unselfish and willing to spread the ball around to create oppurtunities for others. Additionally, Krstic has continued to develop into a top center in this league, stretching out the defense by forcing opposing centers to play him on the perimiter, which in turn opens lanes for Jefferson and Carter to the rim. Along with being a tremendous shooter from as far as 18 feet, Krtic has continued to expand his post game and has established a terrific arsenal of post moves, and additionally, he finishes strong around the hoop, not feering the defense he faces. Also, he has incredibly soft hands and is a great post target for his teamattes. The biggest thing about this streak, however, is the defense the team has exhibited, regardless of who they have faced. During the winning streak, they have held the opposition to under 80 points, forcing their foes to shoot low percentages while taking advantage in the halfcourt with their patient sets on offense. One glaring weakness the Nets have had this season has been the bench, and during this streak, this issue has been improved upon greatly. Frank has mixed up his rotation to keep at least one starter on the court at any time as opposed to subbing in entire units. He tends to take Carter, Kidd or Jefferson out around the 8 minute mark and slowly sends in his reserves one at a time, giving the rest to the starters through the break and several minutes into the second quarter. He has cut the rotation down to Clifford Robinson, Jacque Vaughn, Zoran Planinic and Antoine Wright with occasional minutes to Lamond Murray. Zoran tends to be the one to come in early in games to replace the perimiter players, yet in the second half, it is Wright who starts off the 4th in place of the role Zoran fills in the first. Wright has been excellent defensively and gives a nice boost in the second half, as he becomes more aclimatted to the NBA. Clifford Robinson has been terrific all season and has been great off the bench for us, filling in for Collins and Krstic when they face foul difficulties or are in need of rest. The bench play has been much improved and has shown they can be dependable and can be relied on when the starters need a breather. The changes made in the rotation have helped, and the confidence in the bench has lead to improved performance off the bench, allowing us to keep a high level of play during the time in which starters sit. This team has been playing terrific basketball, and they can beat anybody the way they have played. If they continue this level of play, they can beat anybody come playoff time (note they have already beat Detroit twice and have a 3-1 season series advantage over Miami). Expect a deep run from this Nets team come playoff time, however, dont always believe what those experts tell you about what the reason behind it is. Yes, Krstic has been tremendous, but he isnt souly responsible for this run, it has been a team effort and alot of aspects have contributed to the recent success. I will say that as a Nets fan, I honestly believe this team is better than those that made consecutive finals runs several years ago. The half court offense and defensive assertiveness are in place, and now the team has several true go-to options in late game situations. Although the Nets have been getting alot of press lately, I still think they are hungry and hopefully they continue this high level of play and turn it into a succesful, deep playoff run.</div>Guess who's back? lol I havnt seen you around much.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Apr 2 2006, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why are we pretenders? If this was detriot on this streak people would be saying " Look at Detriot nobody is going to beat them, they are championship contenders" But since its the Nets, we are just lucky. And I hate when people say we cant beat Miami or Detroit in a 7 game series. Detroit you have a case, but we went 2-2 against them so dont say its impossible. Miami we beat them 3-1, thats not lucky.</div>Im glad that people continue to put this team down and say how they have lingering doubts in regards to the strength of the upcoming playoff run. After all these wins, I still dont think people consider them to be a team that can win it all, and I think this will continue to fuel the team to prove the doubters wrong..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guess who's back? lol I havnt seen you around much.</div>Busy times man..Ive been reading but havent had time to post anything..
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Busy times man..Ive been reading but havent had time to post anything..</div>Well im glad your back.
     
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    If they continue to play at the level they have been playing, with atleast one big game from each of their big three per game (Jefferson 30 Points, Kidd 15 and 10, Carter 30 Points for example) then they can contendHowever if they level off at all from where they are now, they are not contenders
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At this point, the nets can beat anyone in this league with the way theyve been playing. These "experts" give the credit to the continued emergence of Krstic, but its not like he came out of nowhere. He has been playing solid and consistently all year, he just continues to add to his repitoure. The key to this team has been the unselfishness exhibited up and down the roster. It starts with the leadership of Carter and Kidd and it trickles down to everyone who takes the court. I will say right now that Carter is playing better than he ever has. Better than his first years in Toronto when he was dubbed "next Jordan". In those days, VC became the incredible, flashy dunker we all know today, yet now, as a Net, he has become a solid defender and terific, unselfish passer who plays with passion and effort every night. The play of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson has been tremendous, and they have all been extremelly unselfish and willing to spread the ball around to create oppurtunities for others. Additionally, Krstic has continued to develop into a top center in this league, stretching out the defense by forcing opposing centers to play him on the perimiter, which in turn opens lanes for Jefferson and Carter to the rim. Along with being a tremendous shooter from as far as 18 feet, Krtic has continued to expand his post game and has established a terrific arsenal of post moves, and additionally, he finishes strong around the hoop, not feering the defense he faces. Also, he has incredibly soft hands and is a great post target for his teamattes. The biggest thing about this streak, however, is the defense the team has exhibited, regardless of who they have faced. During the winning streak, they have held the opposition to under 80 points, forcing their foes to shoot low percentages while taking advantage in the halfcourt with their patient sets on offense. One glaring weakness the Nets have had this season has been the bench, and during this streak, this issue has been improved upon greatly. Frank has mixed up his rotation to keep at least one starter on the court at any time as opposed to subbing in entire units. He tends to take Carter, Kidd or Jefferson out around the 8 minute mark and slowly sends in his reserves one at a time, giving the rest to the starters through the break and several minutes into the second quarter. He has cut the rotation down to Clifford Robinson, Jacque Vaughn, Zoran Planinic and Antoine Wright with occasional minutes to Lamond Murray. Zoran tends to be the one to come in early in games to replace the perimiter players, yet in the second half, it is Wright who starts off the 4th in place of the role Zoran fills in the first. Wright has been excellent defensively and gives a nice boost in the second half, as he becomes more aclimatted to the NBA. Clifford Robinson has been terrific all season and has been great off the bench for us, filling in for Collins and Krstic when they face foul difficulties or are in need of rest. The bench play has been much improved and has shown they can be dependable and can be relied on when the starters need a breather. The changes made in the rotation have helped, and the confidence in the bench has lead to improved performance off the bench, allowing us to keep a high level of play during the time in which starters sit. This team has been playing terrific basketball, and they can beat anybody the way they have played. If they continue this level of play, they can beat anybody come playoff time (note they have already beat Detroit twice and have a 3-1 season series advantage over Miami). Expect a deep run from this Nets team come playoff time, however, dont always believe what those experts tell you about what the reason behind it is. Yes, Krstic has been tremendous, but he isnt souly responsible for this run, it has been a team effort and alot of aspects have contributed to the recent success. I will say that as a Nets fan, I honestly believe this team is better than those that made consecutive finals runs several years ago. The half court offense and defensive assertiveness are in place, and now the team has several true go-to options in late game situations. Although the Nets have been getting alot of press lately, I still think they are hungry and hopefully they continue this high level of play and turn it into a succesful, deep playoff run.</div>How about this?They become an elite team if they break this season's regular season winning streak (13 by Dallas).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At this point, the nets can beat anyone in this league with the way theyve been playing. These "experts" give the credit to the continued emergence of Krstic, but its not like he came out of nowhere. He has been playing solid and consistently all year, he just continues to add to his repitoure. The key to this team has been the unselfishness exhibited up and down the roster. It starts with the leadership of Carter and Kidd and it trickles down to everyone who takes the court. I will say right now that Carter is playing better than he ever has. Better than his first years in Toronto when he was dubbed "next Jordan". In those days, VC became the incredible, flashy dunker we all know today, yet now, as a Net, he has become a solid defender and terific, unselfish passer who plays with passion and effort every night. The play of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson has been tremendous, and they have all been extremelly unselfish and willing to spread the ball around to create oppurtunities for others. Additionally, Krstic has continued to develop into a top center in this league, stretching out the defense by forcing opposing centers to play him on the perimiter, which in turn opens lanes for Jefferson and Carter to the rim. Along with being a tremendous shooter from as far as 18 feet, Krtic has continued to expand his post game and has established a terrific arsenal of post moves, and additionally, he finishes strong around the hoop, not feering the defense he faces. Also, he has incredibly soft hands and is a great post target for his teamattes. The biggest thing about this streak, however, is the defense the team has exhibited, regardless of who they have faced. During the winning streak, they have held the opposition to under 80 points, forcing their foes to shoot low percentages while taking advantage in the halfcourt with their patient sets on offense. One glaring weakness the Nets have had this season has been the bench, and during this streak, this issue has been improved upon greatly. Frank has mixed up his rotation to keep at least one starter on the court at any time as opposed to subbing in entire units. He tends to take Carter, Kidd or Jefferson out around the 8 minute mark and slowly sends in his reserves one at a time, giving the rest to the starters through the break and several minutes into the second quarter. He has cut the rotation down to Clifford Robinson, Jacque Vaughn, Zoran Planinic and Antoine Wright with occasional minutes to Lamond Murray. Zoran tends to be the one to come in early in games to replace the perimiter players, yet in the second half, it is Wright who starts off the 4th in place of the role Zoran fills in the first. Wright has been excellent defensively and gives a nice boost in the second half, as he becomes more aclimatted to the NBA. Clifford Robinson has been terrific all season and has been great off the bench for us, filling in for Collins and Krstic when they face foul difficulties or are in need of rest. The bench play has been much improved and has shown they can be dependable and can be relied on when the starters need a breather. The changes made in the rotation have helped, and the confidence in the bench has lead to improved performance off the bench, allowing us to keep a high level of play during the time in which starters sit. This team has been playing terrific basketball, and they can beat anybody the way they have played. If they continue this level of play, they can beat anybody come playoff time (note they have already beat Detroit twice and have a 3-1 season series advantage over Miami). Expect a deep run from this Nets team come playoff time, however, dont always believe what those experts tell you about what the reason behind it is. Yes, Krstic has been tremendous, but he isnt souly responsible for this run, it has been a team effort and alot of aspects have contributed to the recent success. I will say that as a Nets fan, I honestly believe this team is better than those that made consecutive finals runs several years ago. The half court offense and defensive assertiveness are in place, and now the team has several true go-to options in late game situations. Although the Nets have been getting alot of press lately, I still think they are hungry and hopefully they continue this high level of play and turn it into a succesful, deep playoff run.</div>Great post but it needs some spaces :wink:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 2 2006, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they continue to play at the level they have been playing, with atleast one big game from each of their big three per game (Jefferson 30 Points, Kidd 15 and 10, Carter 30 Points for example) then they can contendHowever if they level off at all from where they are now, they are not contenders</div>Thats the problem, everybody thinks this team is all about the big three. Fact is, its not..Kidd can go scoreless and he can still have a terrific game. Carter doesnt need to be a scoring machine every night because of the pieces that are around him. Krstic gives us a solid low post presence who can also spread the defense with his outside shot, creating driving lanes for slashers like Carter and Jefferson. Dont forget, this team isnt about scoring, they dont have a mentality where they take the court trying to blow the other team out of the water by scoring in bunches, instead, they play solid defense and try to put their opponents in a position where they are uncomfortable and unproductive.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Apr 2 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about this?They become an elite team if they break this season's regular season winning streak (13 by Dallas).</div>I think this winning streak, whether it ends at 12 or keeps going, is very impressive because of the quality of teams they have beaten and the manner in which they won those games.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Apr 2 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great post but it needs some spaces :wink:</div>pshh spaces are overatted..told ya it was gonna be a long one.
     
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    It's tough to tell right now.If they get their streak past 15, then they have a good chance of beating Motown.
     
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    I don't think they can take Detroit or the Heat out in a 7 game series because they don't have a powerhouse standing under the Net. They wouldn't be able to contain Shaq at all and yes, their defense is improving but it is no where near top notch. Right now their offense is just on a tear, their big 4 has been playing great basketball. Good for them. I don't think they can contend for the title but they are definately a candidate since they are in a good position in terms of seedings.
     
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    They are a very good team, but i don't think they can hang with Detroit in a 7-game series. they have a shot with Miami, but Detroit is just too good. I'd call them precontenders. [​IMG]
     
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    ^^ precontenders, lolz... [​IMG]
     
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    Again if you count the 4 game series we had with Miami in the season, we would win 3-1. Detriot we would be in a tie 2-2. Whats the difference between that and a 7 game series. Im not saying we will beat Detriot, but dont say we dont have a shot.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 2 2006, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think they can take Detroit or the Heat out in a 7 game series because they don't have a powerhouse standing under the Net. They wouldn't be able to contain Shaq at all and yes, their defense is improving but it is no where near top notch. Right now their offense is just on a tear, their big 4 has been playing great basketball. Good for them. I don't think they can contend for the title but they are definately a candidate since they are in a good position in terms of seedings.</div>This shows that you dont watch nets games. They havent been winning games with offense, they have been winning on this streak with their defense and their ability to shut down the other teams. They have proven in the past that the can contain Shaq and make him less effective by forcing him away from the basket with the double team. Its not like this defense came out of nowhere, on the season they are ranked 6th in the league at 92 ppg and on this streak opponents are scoring under 81 ppg.
     

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