<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Apr 2 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again if you count the 4 game series we had with Miami in the season, we would win 3-1. Detriot we would be in a tie 2-2. Whats the difference between that and a 7 game series. Im not saying we will beat Detriot, but dont say we dont have a shot.</div>regular season is ALOT different than playoffs. New Jersey is simply not going to be able to run like they doin the reg. season. The game is slowed down, and that's where Detroit and Miami play best.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Apr 2 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's tough to tell right now.If they get their streak past 15, then they have a good chance of beating Motown.</div>How does this number have anything to do with how they do in the playoffs against Detroit? Its entirely irrelivant how many wins they end up winning. The fact is they have proven they can play with Detroit and Miami as well as the other top notch teams they have beaten. Its not about the number of wins to me, its about the quality of the victories we have chalked up. I dont know where you get this magical number of 15 from, it makes no sence how them winning three more games makes them more apt to beat Detroit in a playoff series.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 2 2006, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>regular season is ALOT different than playoffs. New Jersey is simply not going to be able to run like they doin the reg. season. The game is slowed down, and that's where Detroit and Miami play best.</div>Once again, a prime example of someone who doesnt watch the Nets. The Nets dont play up and down basketball anymore, which makes this style of play more advantageous in the playoffs. The Nets are now a half court team that is very patient in their sets and gets their occasional transition points when the oppurtunity presents itself. This team is similar to Detroit in that they depend on their defense to set the tone and build off that on the other end. This post clearly shows how the media hasnt made people aware of NJ and the type of team they are..
As much as I love the Nets, with them being one of my 5 favorite NBA teams, I have to agree with dogmatist. Could the Nets really hang with Detroit of Miami in a 7 game series? Both team have solid presences on the inside, of which the Nets cannot contain. We have to remember, Chauncey Billups had a mediocre game against the Nets when they won, and the Mavs, Heat, and Pistons all haven't been playing their best ball as of late.If the Nets can get a big game everynight from their big 3, and continue to play like they have, they hold a slim chance to make it to the Finals. However, considering Vince Carter's playoff woes, Detoit's experiance, and Miami having a player by the name of Shaquille O' Neal, I re-enforce my saying the Nets have a slim chance
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 2 2006, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As much as I love the Nets, with them being one of my 5 favorite NBA teams, I have to agree with dogmatist. Could the Nets really hang with Detroit of Miami in a 7 game series? Both team have solid presences on the inside, of which the Nets cannot contain. We have to remember, Chauncey Billups had a mediocre game against the Nets when they won, and the Mavs, Heat, and Pistons all haven't been playing their best ball as of late.If the Nets can get a big game everynight from their big 3, and continue to play like they have, they hold a slim chance to make it to the Finals. However, considering Vince Carter's playoff woes, Detoit's experiance, and Miami having a player by the name of Shaquille O' Neal, I re-enforce my saying the Nets have a slim chance</div>Thats the thing people still dont understand..The Nets dont need a big game from the big three to win anymore. Earlier in the year, they relied on the trio of players to carry them, now it is much more of a team effort. They play a huge role in the success of the team, but they dont all have to have tremendous scoring outings to come out on top. They all are very unselfish and create upportunites for others. Additionally, Krstic is a much better post player than most are aware of.
I think the Nets can take Miami in a series.I predicted the Heat to take them 4-1 but I am changing my mind.Shaq simply cannot guard Kristic. With the way he has been playing latley Shaq is going to struggle big time guarding him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Apr 2 2006, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Contenders or pretenders? I'll make up my mind in the playoffs, the only time wins like this count.</div>These wins came against teams that are lobying for playoff position and have had succesfull seasons on their own. The quality of these wins are terrific as this was predicted to be the toughest part of the entire schedule coming in..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Once again, a prime example of someone who doesnt watch the Nets. The Nets dont play up and down basketball anymore, which makes this style of play more advantageous in the playoffs. The Nets are now a half court team that is very patient in their sets and gets their occasional transition points when the oppurtunity presents itself. This team is similar to Detroit in that they depend on their defense to set the tone and build off that on the other end. This post clearly shows how the media hasnt made people aware of NJ and the type of team they are..</div>i watch the nets at times, and i've seen that they do still run. They are less dependant on it, but they still rely on easy buckets on the fastbreak. This team usn't similar to detroit. Just bc they are good at defense doesn't make them similar.I don't get my <Censored> from the media. I draw my own conclusions from what i see. you say they build off that on the other end. that would mean they would score in transition after getting a stop or a steal. You need to stop acting so arrogant about this team. Yes, they are good, we've established that. But you're making it seem like they're on another level than anyone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Apr 2 2006, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the Nets can take Miami in a series.I predicted the Heat to take them 4-1 but I am changing my mind.Shaq simply cannot guard Kristic. With the way he has been playing latley Shaq is going to struggle big time guarding him.</div>This is a good point, Shaq gets murdered on pick and roll situations when he is forced to chase his man on the perimiter, something that he will be obliged to do against Krstic. Additionally, Krstic isnt afraid to go up strong against opposing big men and players like Robinson and Collins do a terrific job defensively against Shaq. I think the difference will be Krstic pulling Shaq out to the perimiter, forcing him to respect that jumper (just ask the Knicks), opening up the lane to Carter and Jefferson for penetration and defensive breakdowns.The same applies to Ben Wallace in Detroit. Do you think it was coincidental that he didnt put his defensive stamp on the game the last time they played? Or perhaps, did Krstic offensive pressence force him to defend him on the perimiter, where he is as lethal as he is in the low block..
What people also forget is that tonight Shaq was taken out of the game early, with quick fouls. We know that won't happen everygame in a 7 game series, so things will be different. And where do you get that the Nets don't run? I've seen their last 4 games, arguably their most impressive stretch of the year, and they've actually ran more efficiently than normal. How do you think they beat the Suns by 38? I don't care what anyone says, it's impossible to beat a team by 38 using half-court sets
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats the thing people still dont understand..The Nets dont need a big game from the big three to win anymore. Earlier in the year, they relied on the trio of players to carry them, now it is much more of a team effort. They play a huge role in the success of the team, but they dont all have to have tremendous scoring outings to come out on top. They all are very unselfish and create upportunites for others. Additionally, Krstic is a much better post player than most are aware of.</div>Are you kidding? the big 3 have been huge on this winning streak. They are the reason the streak even started. Kidd's D is has been big, along with Carter and Jefferson's offense. The only role player that has actually stepped up is Nenad. The rest are only continuing what they have been doing this entire year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 2 2006, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i watch the nets at times, and i've seen that they do still run. They are less dependant on it, but they still rely on easy buckets on the fastbreak. This team usn't similar to detroit. Just bc they are good at defense doesn't make them similar.I don't get my <Censored> from the media. I draw my own conclusions from what i see. you say they build off that on the other end. that would mean they would score in transition after getting a stop or a steal. You need to stop acting so arrogant about this team. Yes, they are good, we've established that. But you're making it seem like they're on another level than anyone else.</div>Any team that has a fast break oppurtunity is going to try to take advantage of it, but unlike past years, the Nets arent relying on that any longer, and while they'll take what they can get in the transition game, they are very adept to playing the half court offensive sets as well where they can convert offensively. Im not saying specifically you get your info from the media, my point is, people generally still think of this team as a fast break, run and gun team, when in fact this style of play no longer is the focal point. Im not saying they are at a different level than any other teams, Im, instead giving reasons why they can play against the elite teams in the playoffs while everyone else is doubting that ability..
as for shaq not being able to defend nenad, the heat switched to a zone and it was fairly effective today. It could have been better if Shaq wasn't in foul trouble.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 2 2006, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding? the big 3 have been huge on this winning streak. They are the reason the streak even started. Kidd's D is has been big, along with Carter and Jefferson's offense. The only role player that has actually stepped up is Nenad. The rest are only continuing what they have been doing this entire year.</div>What I meant by that is that the big 3 doesnt carry this team and that they dont all need to score and take over games to win. Indeed, the defense of Kidd has been instrumental, and Im not saying they didnt play a huge role, my point is that they dont need to fill it up nightly to come out with a win. There are others who can score as a product of their play. The play of Nenad has been terrific, and if you think the rest has been doing the same as the rest of the year, youre missing something. Prior to the streak, the bench was horrendous, yet, lately, everyone has been stepping up and providing scoring and solid play off the bench as the starters get much needed rest..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>as for shaq not being able to defend nenad, the heat switched to a zone and it was fairly effective today. It could have been better if Shaq wasn't in foul trouble.</div>They wont play zone in the playoffs. Kristic always plays well against Shaq.He averaged over 18 against him last season in the playoffs.Shaq has trouble guarding any jump shooting big men.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 2 2006, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>These wins came against teams that are lobying for playoff position and have had succesfull seasons on their own. The quality of these wins are terrific as this was predicted to be the toughest part of the entire schedule coming in..</div>The Lakers have beaten Dallas twice, Miami, Detroit, and San Antonio. Does that mean the Lakers can take any of those teams in a playoff series? Hell no, they'd get swept out. You can't use regular season victories (although impressive) to say if you can beat a team or not. But I feel the Nets can give the Heat a lot of trouble with matchups.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 2 2006, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>as for shaq not being able to defend nenad, the heat switched to a zone and it was fairly effective today. It could have been better if Shaq wasn't in foul trouble.</div>Its not so much that he cant defend Nenad, its moreso the opportunities that arise when he is forced to defend on the perimiter. The fact is he has trouble when he has to chase his man around, and the way Krstic can contribute from the outside plays right into the Nets' hands with this philosophy..
The reason the role players score is because of Kidd most of the time. I see lot's of Nets games, and although Kristic is vastly underrated in the post, he gets alot of points off passes from either VC, RJ, or JKidd. Kidd plays great defence. Carter has scored 20+ in everygame, with Jefferson scoring 20+ in most games. The Nets need these guys to come up with solid games to win, bottom line
