(OT) Rumor from Boston Globe: Amare for Al Jeff + #6

Their consistency, effort, and useage of their talent are all in question. That's the comparison. I'm sorry I didn't make that more clear.

Amare has proven to be high maintenance and has yet to prove he can be an "MVP" type player outside of the PHX system with one of the NBA's greatest PG's along his side.

 

I think that would be a good deal for PHX since he's probably leaving in a year away.

 

I'd even rank him below Z-bo. I'm very realistic when it comes to Stoudemire, too realistic for many people. The truth is that when a player is mediocre or poor at rebounding, defense, passing, decision-making, ball-handling, and creating his own offense, then his positive value is relatively limited. Yes, he is an incredible assisted finisher/shooter on the pick-and-roll/pop, a nice weapon to load. However, the best player on a good team can't be a one-trick pony, which is why the Suns are 6-13 (.316) over the last five seasons when Stoudemire has played without Nash.

Edit: I feel like ranting some more, I still feel like Diaw is the better player and the Suns were stupid to get rid of him. I'd rather have him than a player that's limited on both offense and defense, where as Diaw brings versatility.

 

Lol, someone thinks highly of themselves.

I don't know if I'd go as far as you, but I'm closer to you than most people on the board when it comes to Amare.

 

If they deal Love for the #2 and take Thabeet, Minnesota could have a very interesting frontcourt.

PF: Stoudemire
C: Thabeet

I like that if I'm Minnesota. Thabeet complements Amare perfectly. A lot more than Kevin Love would, IMO.

 

Do you say that from a offense/defense perspective?

Strictly on the offensive end, I think Amare is way better off being along side Love opposed to Mutombo, err Thabet. Amare would most likely be playing center, and easily be able to explode by his defender. Love's passing would help him get the ball on any post-to-post play. Love also can hit the outside shot, where Thabet will clog up the middle, leaving his defender the opportunity to help.

However, an Amare/Love combo on defense might be one of the worst in the NBA...

 

if i am minnesotas GM and (assuming you can get #2 with just love and keep 6) id get rubio, and one of the better big men that isnt thabeet because you know hes not going any worse than top 5 most likely or you could pray to god that rubio slips to 6 and swap them and if he gets swooped up get maynor curry or any of the other slew of pgs in this draft

 

How about we send Minnesota Lamarcus, Bayless and our #32 for Al Jefferson and their #6?

We can then package Sergio and the #6 to move up one or two slots to nab Rubio.

Finally, we trade Travis plus a couple Second Round picks to move up a bit to nab DeJuan Blair.

We still have our #24 pick (best available SF).

Sign Andre Miller as a free agent with our cap space.


Oden / Pryz / Randolph
Jefferson / Blair
Batum / Webster / SF with #24 pick
Roy / Rudy
Miller / Blake / Rubio

 

Jefferson is somewhat of a blackhole offensively... I'd still consider it if it weren't for the fact that he tore his ACL last season. We don't know how he's gonna look after that.

 

Danny Manning - acquired by the Hawks, leaves for the Suns. And that's just off the top of my head.

 

That is a pretty bold statement.

 

Who knows maybe I'm way off, but from what I've heard Amare' saying he really sounds like he wants to move to a place like New York or some other big market city where he can explore his off-court interests, etc. I get it that part of his issue with Phoenix has been taking a back seat to Shaq, but statistical likelihood of any given player staying in a market aside, Amare' just sounds like a guy who wants not only a bigger role, but also wants a bigger pond.

Hell, it's not completely unprecedented. Bosh is increasingly sounding like he wants out of Toronto and Boozer is almost certainly going to leave Utah for greener pastures.

 

WOW. PHX would be crazy to not make this deal if in fact MINN is willing to give up Al and #6.

 

I think if the Wolves don't get the Suns #14 in return it's highway robbery rather than a petty theft.

Amare is not getting any better than he is and is a mediocre at best rebounder and pilon on defense. He is a very good scorer, but still he has like 1 and a half more moves than Dwight Howard.. and that isn't a compliment. He relies on his athleticism too often. He has improve his mid-range jumper though and if he continues should still be a very good scorer for the remainder of his prime.
Big Al is a very good rebounder has the best post offensive post moves outside of Tim Duncan and is improving his game.
Both are not that good defensively but Big Al puts forth more effort on that end.

I think the Wolves get the raw end of this deal, especially giving up the 6th pick on top of it all.

 

Amare is a big health risk now with his eye trouble. Last year - I had a minor version of Amare suffered in one my eyes - I just had fluid leak behind one of the corneas without detachment making one of my eyes very tough to work with - think of it as if one of the eyes was watching through some of these crazy mirrors in the amusement parks - better than taking psychedelic drugs, I would guess - the leak was plugged and after a long time - I can see clearly from both of my eyes - but the vision is not as good as it was before and I had a real trouble working for more than an hour before taking a break while it happened.

If I were Minni - I would make damn sure that Amare has fully recovered from that eye issue - because it is not a trivial injury - and working your butt off in the gym will not fix it...

 

The local talker here in Phoenix says this rumor is absolutely false and that no talks have been made with Minny. They say they know who the source of the rumor is, and they are just flat out wrong, FYI.