OT: McSteroids?

"I've been hearing rumors about how Josh McRoberts has been living in the weight room this offseason.

I saw it with my own eyes when I ran into him at Conseco Fieldhouse earlier this week.
McRoberts said he's put on 20 pounds of muscle since the end of the season.

The Pacers want to re-sign McRoberts, who appeared in 33 games last season.

A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman. They like McRoberts' athleticism, energy and rebounding ability off the bench."

McRoberts wasn't exactly known as a hard worker during his season in Portland. Even if he has become a workout monster since he left Portland, I find it difficult to believe he (or anyone) can add 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months without a little "help".

BNM

 

20 lbs for a guy that size isn't a problem at all. You have to remember that doesn't mean he just weights 20 pounds more, he may have leaned up a lot and actually lost some weight.

 

So that would put him in the 260 range. 20 lbs in a few months is kinda fishy.

 

I saw that comparison with the Birdman and it's about the most laughably inappropriate comparison I've ever seen. McRoberts was seen as #1 player in his high school class and has consistently underachieved. He's all finesse and no hustle. Andersen always was a nobody, and has very little in terms of basketball skills but competes like crazy. The only thing they have in common is skin tone and surprising athleticism for same.

 

20 lbs of muscle in two months is pretty hard to imagine, but if you have the frame for it and if you lift for bulk it's reasonable that he could have packed on 10-15 lbs of muscle mass given the fact that you thicken up as you go through your early twenties. I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion he's juicing, but you never know I guess

 

The good thing about Josh is he netted us Jerryd. Thanks Josh.

 

No it's not. When I used to lift I could fluctuate 10 pounds in a week if I wanted to and I am only 6' tall. See the thing is, when you first start lifting, there are huge gains. Josh looked to me like he had never really lifted seriously in his life before now. A doughboy can make huge changes in the weight room fast, because there is a lot to gain.

 

If we're talking pure mass and including water weight then yes a good deal of fluctuation is normal, but 20 lbs of muscle in two months would be tough, especially for a pro athlete that (supposedly) is already pretty lean.

 

But thats just it. He wasn't pretty lean. He was a doughboy with good hops.

 

being committed to conditioning could also include a change in diet...

STOMP

 

"A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman"

Does this mean McRoberts is getting ink done (he asked for a 13, but they drew a 31)? Every time I seen Birdman's tats, I think of that song. Even the title fits his Birdman persona (and complexion) - Pretty Fly for a White Guy.

BNM

 

I'm not disputing that it's not possible for a 6'10" guy's weight to fluctuate 10 - 20 lbs. What I found hard to believe is that he's gained 20 lbs. of muscle. Weight fluctuation includes fluids, fat and muscle. Usually what happens when someone starts seriosuly working out for the first time is they lose fat, and fluids. That leads to improved definition. Then you start to build muscle mass. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass is a lot different than gaining 20 lbs. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months is highly unlikely without some sort of nutritional supplement (either legal or illegal).

BNM

 

A doughboy? I don't remember him being especially thick when he played here. In any case I think we're arguing semantics here, I said 10-15 lbs of lean muscle mass wasn't out of the realm of possibility in eight weeks, I just said 20 lbs. would be tough and didn't necessarily indicate he was juicing.

 

I think it's more likely that he gained 20 lbs (some of it muscle, but not all of it), and it's being hyped as "20 lbs of pure muscle," than that he's juicing.

It seems like that that happens a fair amount...a player puts on some weight and it's incorrectly reported as being all muscle mass.

 

Factual details... Take creatine and you'll probably put on 10 lbs of water weight, but most people will refer to that as 10 lbs of muscle. Strength goes up, so why not?

 

Doughboy doesn't mean fat. Doughboy means soft. Soft like dough.

 

Well what defines "muscle" weight and just weight in general? Is there really a way to measure if you gained "muscle" weight? He probably just gained 16 to 18 pounds of weight when he looked on his scale, rounded up and told the reported it was muscle weight to make himself look good.

In any event... who cares. He still sucks.

 

Heck yeah! Thanks Josh!

I know nothing about weights, muscle and all that crap. I am a computer geek.

 

Oden put on at least 20 lbs of muscle when he was injured, maybe even more. Do you think he was on steroids as well, or are we only looking to anonymously smear/libel players on other teams?

 

Ah yes, the famous PapaG strawman. No, I don't think Greg Oden was on steroids. He was also away from the game for about 19 months due to his injury and put on a lot more than 20 lbs. He gained at least 35 lbs. and not all of it (or even most of it) was muscle. His weight gain was over a much longer period than 2 months, and was due primarily to inactivity.

I think the claim that McRoberts gained 20 lbs. of muscle is highly suspect. It would be very difficult for anyone to pack on that much muscle that quickly without some sort of supplement. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. in 2 months? Quite possibly. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. of muscle in 2 months? Unlikely.

BNM