How Much Risk with Ramon Sessions?

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    If it comes down to that, maybe the Bucks would be interested in Sergio in a sign and trade for Sessions? Chacho is pretty cheap and I'm sure the Blazers wouldn't mind an extra 1.6 million of cap room to play around with which could help to add some players to the roster to help flesh it out ... plus it's not like we're going to be able to carry 4 point guards anyway.
     
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    I think you have to have Mike Conley Jr. in that list (Harris, Rubio, Paul, Sessions). He had a fanstastic second half and shot the 3 ball well. You also can't underestimate the chemistry he has with Oden. If MCJ is available he has to be on your short list. Obviously Paul is tops probably followed by Harris and to me Sessions and MCJ are both potential stars. I almost go for MCJ over Sessions to guarantee Oden's happiness and loyalty to the team. I also think their chemistry could make something special. Of course with the workout pact that Bayless and Oden have we might have dare I say "Organic Chemistry".

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    Forgot to mention Rubio. Rubio seems the highest risk and the highest reward of the guys I think are available. Rubio could be better then MCJ or Sessions but we don't know that yet. We know what you get in Sessions and MCJ.
     
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  3. Crimson the Cat

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    Yeah, I had thought of that too. It makes sense. Milwaukee needs to rebuild. Serg would give them a young buck to begin a new era. He could showcase his talents. It's a good fit. Another good fit for Serg IMO is Washington.
     
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    MCJ is right up there as well, but I have just one tiny notch below Sessions. RS has gotten to the point where MCJ appears to be headed. Sessions wins out because he's fulfilling his potential. MCJ appears to be headed down that same road. As Minstrel pointed out in another thread, Sessions is posted a career high 18+ PER.

    I wouldn't be disappointed if we got either guard. ;)
     
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    Sessions couldn't beat out Luke Ridinour for the starting spot on a crappy Bucks team.
     
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    Sessions beat out Ridnour.
     
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    How do you figure? Luke started the first 49 games of the season before getting hurt. Redd got hurt a few games later which subsequently led to Sessions getting a starting job.
     
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    Miksaid So Say We All

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    Oden, the number one pick, couldn't beat out Joel for our starting center position. Each team has their reasons, and I guarantee you that Sessions not being good enough to start in Milwaukee was not one of them.

    Despite the fact that he did end up starting.
     
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    Joel is considerably better than Luke. Oden was a rookie, Sessions was not. Greg lost his starting job due to injury, Sessions got his due to someone else being injured.

    So since you seem to know why he didn't start, why don't you share it with us all...

    Was it because the Bucks had such a good team and Luke Ridnour was going to lead them deep into the playoffs? No, the Bucks suck and would clearly start Sessions if he was as good as Luke.

    Was it because Scott Skiles hates playing young guys and wanted to go with the "experienced" PG? No, Skiles started rookie Mbah a Moute in 52 games.

    His inability to beat out Ridnour is almost as big of a red flag as him shooting 17% behind the three point arc last season.
     
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    Miksaid So Say We All

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    Just trust me, he's good.
     
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    Yes, but Luke came back and Sessions had played so well that Luke remained on the bench. According to Espn, Luke started 50 games and Ramon 38. Ramon shot the ball better overall, assisted, and scored more. Sessions is 5 years younger and his PER is already over 17. Luke's is below what an average PG does.
     
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    lol...

    If that's the best proof you can come up with, I'd give him no more than 2 million a year.
     
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    Sessions may be slightly better than Luke, but my point is that he wasn't enough to make it so they couldn't start him over Rid. If we can sign him for far below the MLE to be out backup, I'm fine with that. However, we don't need to gamble on a guy who's skill set doesn't fit our team needs and has yet to show he can lead a group better than the Bucks second unit.

    Either way, I'm confident KP isn't an idiot, so I'm not too worried about us signing him.
     
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    We don't need to worry about Sessions. If we can't get something better and Sessions is still available for a offer then maybe but I would rather get something better. I of coarse would like Conley, Harris, Miller, Kidd or even going for Curry before trying to get Sessions. I watched Sessions 3-4 times and wasn't all that impressed. I think I would also stay with Bayless and spend our FA money for some other need(backup PF, SF) before getting Sessions.
     
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    Sessions is substantially better than Luke. It's not even debatable in my book. I have to ask if you watch Sessions play this season. I was able to catch 3 games. He's a stud.

    I'll repeat this for emphasis. Sessions' number are significantly better than Ridnours and that's comparing Ridnour in his prime to Sessions in his pre-prime. We're talking about a future All-Star to a career reserve.
     
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    I probably watched 10 Bucks games, including the 2 against Portland where he was less than impressive. I still don't understand if Sessions was so much better than Luke, then why didn't he start over him? Do you think Skiles and Bucks management can't evaluate talent near as well as you? Do you think it was a chemistry issue? If so, that's still a red flag.

    The games I saw him play he was ok. He certainly isn't a horrible PG, but he has some major weaknesses, most importantly his jumper.

    So you obviously see him as a starter. How much are you willing to spend on him? What do you plan on doing with Blake and Bayless? My guess is we would have to keep Blake around because we can't have Bayless be our knockdown shooter (and he would be compared to Sessions). Is Sessions worth giving up on Bayless? Is Sessions really a better fit than Blake? I think they are totally different players, but are fairly even when it comes to value in the league. When it comes to team needs, Sessions is behind Blake IMO.
     
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    The fact that Scott Skiles didn't like him doesn't really impress me as a huge red flag. If the league only employed players Skiles liked, they would have trouble fielding 4 teams!
     
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    I saw this signature on a Bucks forum, which should tell you how they feel about Skiles and Ridnour... Some good discussion in that thread too.

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    How come all the Session lovers are ignoring his inability to hit a jumper? That's kind of a big deal with the way the roster is setup.
     
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    MCJ shoots a MUCH higher % 3 ball. Lets look at the stats I will focus on Feb - Apr as they both did well then. I will include PER as I think it's relevant.

    Mike Conley jr.:

    ********G**MIN**FGM-FGA***FG%**** 3PM-3PA** 3P%**FTM-FTA**FT%****STL**BLK**TO**PF**OFF**DEF**TOT*AST**PTS
    February***12**36.3**5.2-12.0** 43.056***1.1-3.2****.342**3.1-3.9****78.723***1.42**0.08**2.4**3.0**0.4**4.3**4.8**6.2**14.5
    March*****15**34.7**5.1-11.4** 45.029***1.4-3.4****.412**2.3-2.5****91.892***1.13**0.13**2.3**1.5**0.5**3.0**3.5**5.1**13.9
    April*******9**39.8**5.9-11.8** 50.000***2.3-5.0****.467**1.4-1.9****76.471***2.44**0.33**2.0**2.7**0.2**3.4**3.7**5.8**15.6


    Sessions:
    *******G**MIN**FGM-FGA***FG%****3PM-3PA***3P%**FTM-FTA**FT%***STL***BLK**TO**PF**OFF**DEF**TOT*AST**PTS
    February***11**35.5**5.9-12.5**47.445***0.0-0.1***.000***6.6-8.8***75.258**1.64***0.09**2.5**2.6**0.6**3.5**4.1**7.4***18.5
    March*****13**29.9**5.2-12.2**43.038***0.1-0.2***.333***2.6-3.3***79.070**1.08***0.23**2.0**2.1**1.2**2.8**4.1**7.0***13.2
    April*******7**32.7**5.0-11.0**45.455***0.0-0.1***.000***4.0-4.3***93.333**1.00***0.00**2.9**2.3**1.7**3.3**5.0**10.4***14.0


    Look at the difference in the 3 ball I mean it's not even close! Sessions runs away with the assist category which is impressive on a hobbled bucks team.

    I gotta give the edge to Conley though due to 3 ball and his chemistry with Oden.

    EDIT:

    Man I'm never copy pasting stats ever again!
     
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