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  1. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    This will allow Brandon to ease up on defense at times, while not making him exert any more energy on the offensive end than he was last season. This saves Brandon. It doesn't dog him.
     
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    Why don't you just post "I don't watch anybody but the Blazers".
     
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    I hope you are joking. Otherwise, you are clueless.
     
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    Capt Quirk is a combo guard who is capable of playing above average defense. Miller is a real PG who can QB a team's offense, and play pretty decent defense himself.

    Miller is older, you say? The guy is also an iron-man who has averaged an amazing 81.5 games a season! There is no real reason to believe he can't remain a good player for another 2-3 seasons, giving us a chance to compete while developing a younger prospect.

    Is Hinrich better than nothing? Absolutely.....but I am a loooong way from convinced that he is our best option.
     
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    LoL well thank God you are not running the team.
     
  6. Erroneous Subterfuge

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    I'd like it. He's a year younger, his salary goes down every year so it's not as bad as it first appears, his career PER is 14.8 compared to Blake's 12.1, and most importantly he's a substantial upgrade defensively. Last year he had to deal with a thumb injury and getting benched in favor of Rose. In his 4 starts last year he still averaged 16/5.8 with 2.8 steals a game. I think a new situation for him in which he'd probably get consistent starter minutes would be good for him and us, as much as I like Blake.
     
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    Portland was the most efficient offense in the NBA per possession. If Hinrich replaces Blake, Portland would still be the most efficient offense in the NBA. Sure, I'd still like to see some more offensive improvement, but I'm far more concerned with how inefficient this defense has been, and getting Hinrich improves that figure significantly. My prediction is:

    POR off:
    with Blake - 1st
    with Hinrich - maybe 1st

    POR def:
    with Blake - 13th
    with Hinrich - 5th-8th

    That's powerhouse kind of stuff.
     
  8. Crimson the Cat

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    Don't you think the Blazers' brain trust understands this? I would hope they knew a general direction Miller was headed this Summer before making this move. If they move for Kirk, it's because he's the best fit available to us.

    I'd be super pissed if went after Miller and he decides that he'd rather stay in Philly, head to ATL or MIA instead. Then who do we sign? Maybe no one.
     
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    Hmmm Miller. But the wrong Miller. Brad Miller would make a great 2nd string big to go with Pryz.
     
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    They didn't play each other, but statistically, Blake shot better overall, had a better PER, and had a much better A/TO ratio while playing 8 more minutes per game. Plus, Rondo average a triple-double against the Bulls and Ray Allen averaged 23 ppg for that series. I guess I missed the stellar perimeter defense played by Hinrich? :dunno:
     
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    Because it would be really foolish to extend the guy's career?

    If Brandon is continually asked to shoulder as much weight as he currently is, expect him to suffer the same injury problems as D Wade.

    Brandon needs help, specifically another guy who can make plays and attack the rim.
     
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    Why don't you offer some statistics. The Bulls backcourt lost the series by being unable to to contain Rondo and Ray Allen. Where are the facts that you are offering? I compared Blake/Hinrich and also how their opponents did in the first-round series. To me, Blake did a better job while playing more minutes.
     
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    Argue with the stats I posted. Otherwise, you are clueless.
     
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    Blake's PER was 15.0. Hinrich's was 17.1

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hinriki01.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blakest01.html

    Ed O.
     
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    Go look em up yourself. The Bulls back court didn't lose that series. The Celtics won that series with a better team. That series was way more intense in my book, way more physical, and during that series Hinrich displayed a toughness level that is not on this team now.

    Is getting lit up by Rajon Rondo worse than getting lit up by Aaron Brooks, Kevin Lowry and Von Wafer? Rajon Rondo only averaged a triple double through out the playoffs for the most part. Amazingly enough after Houston got by Portland those guys didn't look so great did they?

    How about those lovely missed free throws by Blake. Those were sure a good playoff performance. How about that wild 3 that he jacked up at the end of the game with a ton of time on the clock. That sure was the performance from a heady point guard.
     
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    Subjective, all of it. I offer stats, you offer feelings and excuse the piss-poor perimeter defense by the Bulls.

    Good day. I have an opinion, and it can be argued statistically. Your hatred of Steve Blake is making you useless to debate on this issue. Rondo slowed down considerably versus Orlando. I guess the same works for saying the Bulls made him look better than he was, right?
     
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    From ESPN Insider Draft Buzz Galore ...

     
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    I didn't know Derrick Rose was benched in that series, since Hinrich apparently carried the starter's assignments. Blake is a shit defender. It's ridiculous to put him above Hinrich, who is most certainly not.
     
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    Blake's PER in the playoffs was lower than Hinrich - and Hinrich's defensive win-score in the playoffs was twice as high as Blake's - while playing against a much better guard rotation in Rondo/Ray Ray.

    I like Aaron Brooks - but he is no Rondo... - and for the record, Hinrich played less minutes in the playoffs than Blake (not by much) - so two times the defensive win score in less minutes against better competition... yes, sounds like an upgrade to me...
     

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