Hinrich telling friends ...

I think we need a guy who can get to the rim, not a guy who's going to hoist more jumpshots than Steve Blake. It's amazing to see that 89% of Kirk's field goal attempts were jump shots. That blows and that's not something I want. I want a guy who can attack the rim.

 

So, if Portland had a chance to draft Derrick Rose they would not because we have Blake?

As for their careers - Hinrich's FG% is higher than Blake's, his assist-rate is higher than Blake's and his turn-over-rate is lower than Blake's.

Blake plays in a much slower system - and he does a fantastic job of protecting the ball in this system. Hinrich is not as good at protecting the ball in Chicago's pace as Blake is in Portland's pace (but the difference is very small) - but if you actually look at the time Blake spent with the Bucks on the Nuggets - where pace is as fast as Chicago's or faster - you will see that his turn-over rate was worse than Hinrich's. With this in mind - I would suspect that given the same pace/system - Hinrich will do just as well as Blake does protecting the ball -and will likely have the higher assist rate he had through his career.

 

Which elite post players has Hinrich proven to be able to consistently get the ball to in shooting position? That's a big criticism against Blake; what's Hinrich's NBA experience in post entry?

 

Do you realize that he's had to play out of position for much of his recent career? All without complaining or bitching, I might add. Granted he struggled the year before last, but man, everyone on that clusterfuck of a team did. Sometimes players are only solid in a quality, well-balanced system. That's what happens to role players.

Low and behold, Chicago puts together a good team with the right role players and Del Negro finds away get his team to put up a consistent effort, and look what happens. Kirk plays well.

Just think about what he'd do next to our guys. I'm fucking STOOOOOKED.

Damn, I forgot, we don't even have him yet. Shit.

 

I am all for debate - but the statistics you offer are flawed - they ignore pace, they ignore opposing players and they ignore minutes played and position played.

Hinrich played more as a 2 than a 1 - and Ray Allen had a very up and down series - if you remember - his good games were also the games when Ben Gordon went off - letting you know that it was probably Ben Gordon that was (not) guarding him when he went on. When Ben Gordon was not producing offensively - Hinrich played more and Allen did not have a good offensive showing.

Most of Rondo's damage was against Rose, not Hinrich - and the reason Hinrich was not guarding Rondo was probably because VanDerGraf Generator (my name for Vinny Del Negro) tried to stop Ray Ray more than he did try to stop Rondo. When Hinrich was on Rondo - there were some fights happening - because Rondo did not like the tough, physical defense...

We need more of that, honestly.

 

I don't know why they decided to do that, but I would imagine it had to do with letting Rose get experience.

You asked for stats didn't you. I have stats to support my claims. You have an opinion which you're basing off of Del Negro playing Rose big minutes. I win.

 

I'd like that too. I also need that player to be a good defender. Who do you have in mind?

 

Are you imagining stats to address why Hinrich didn't get a chance to stop the guy abusing the Bulls?

 

I wouldn't say that's why he's being looked at. He hasn't had any prolific big men teammates that come to mind. It doesn't change the fact that he does practically everything that Blake can offensively, but is a better defender.

You're grasping at straws Papa.

 

Hinrich was mostly the one stopping Ray Ray - and as noticed - when faced against Rondo - Rondo had some trouble with the physical defense he played to the tune of trying to throw him.

Again, Hinrich is not the world's best PG. He is not likely to make an all-star team, he will never be an all-NBA selection (but he was a 2nd-team all-NBA defensive selection in the past) - but he is an upgrade and not a trivial one, over Blake.

 

That's not true, and his ability to get the ball into the post is certainly relevant, isn't it? He doesn't defend PGs, and he can't get the ball into the post. He also can't get to the rim on penetration.

He seems a lot like Steve Blake.

 

Allen wasn't "stopped" at all by Hinrich.

 

Call me a homer, but my idea of a package of Fernandez and Bayless for the #3 pick (to net us Rubio) sounds like a better offer than the #5 and #18 picks....

 

I imagined what could be a reason why Rose got more time than Hinrich. I figured that since you did it, I could. No? You're the only one that can do that?

I did; however, link to stats that succinctly prove you're wrongarooni.

 

Portland just made a deal for #22

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4284712

 

Hinrich was too busy guarding the best player on the floor, Paul Pierce and doing a pretty good job of it. Did you watch the Bulls Celtics series? He was the Bull's best perimeter defender by about a mile. It was Rose that was letting Rondo right by him. Also when you you have Ben Gordon as your two, opposing offenses are going to have a field day.

Name one legitimate post player Hinrich's played with since he was drafted.

 

I'm sure he can feed the ball into the post or dish off to our bigs as well as Blake. I don't know how to prove that. I don't know how you can disprove it. Let's move on to what we can debate.

What do you mean he doesn't defend PGs? He defends them and SGs. He does so very well.

You're still asserting he can't get the ball in the post. I'm just now catching that comment. Prove it.

He can get to the rim just as well as Blake. They both took 36% of there shots near the rim in the playoffs. Blake, during the regular season took 24% of his shots close in, and Hinrich took 22% his shots close in. In my book, that's practically the same.

 

Where did you get that info?

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html

Scroll down to miscellaneous statistics and click on the offensive and defensive rating columns. They gauge points scored per 100 possessions.

 

moving on up!