Would You Take This?

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    2009/2010 Roster:

    Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

    Roy/Fernandez

    Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

    Aldridge/Pendergraph

    Oden/Przybilla
     
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    Can you magically transform Hedo into Prince? If so deal! Hedo isn't the defensive presence we need at the 3.


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    How about a line up of:

    Sessions/Bayless
    Roy/Bayless/Webster
    Prince/Batum/Webster
    LMA/Pendergraph
    Oden/Przybilla

    You get Prince for Blake, Outlaw, Fernandez and some future picks or the rights to Claver.

    With this team you win 60 or more and you compete immediately with LA for the ring. The East Coast would look on in horror at whoever came out of the West.
     
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  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I'd rather have:

    Hinrich/Bayless/Mills

    Roy/Fernandez

    Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

    Aldridge/Blair

    Oden/Przybilla

    But that's not going to happen. Plus, Pendergraph is rumored to be going to the Bulls in a deal that would land us Hinrich. So, it would look more like this:

    Hinrich/Bayless/Mills

    Roy/Fernandez

    Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

    Aldridge/Cunningham (or ?????)

    Oden/Przybilla

    BNM
     
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    Hedo > Prince

    That team would be dangerous. Yes, I'll take that roster

    I hope KP has his sights set a little higher than Hinrich, though.
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Neither is Prince (anymore). His DRtg was 110 this year. That's worse than Outlaw's 109, Batum's 107 and equal to the 110 Martell posted in 2007-08.

    Perhaps it's a one year aberration, but Prince's defense has been in decline for several years and isn't nearly what it was early in his career. At this point, the assumption that Tayshaun Prince is a good defender is based more on reputation than performance.

    And, by the way, Hedo's DRtg was 104 this season.

    BNM
     
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    TCBM, that roster competes for titles next year.
     
  7. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'd take it and run.

    If the Blazers manage to get one or two of Hinrich, Kidd, Turkoglu, Prince, Miller and/or Artest and in the process manage to retain all of their core (Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Bayless, Przybilla) then I think you've made this a much much better team moving forward.

    This is going to be an exciting summer.
     
  8. Idog1976

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    I do believe it's a one year aberration Prince is 29 and should be in his prime, but unlike Turkoglu his team is not a Championship contender. Far from it, Detroit was absolutely imploding this year and I think it impacted him and Rip Hamilton. Chauncey was clearly the soul of that team and they replaced him with *shudder* Allen Iverson. AI is an all world talent and an all world locker room killer. I think you see a Pau like rebound with a happier Prince on a Contender. I think Prince is undervalued right now a "Fallen Angel". Prince should give you 2 to 3 solid year at the Small Forward as Batum slowly took over possibly even in 2010/11. I think Prince could provide good back up minutes. Bruce Bowen was a great defender into his mid-thirties there is no reason to think this is anything other then a reflection of him playing out of position (PG? WTF?) and being on a team in turmoil. I think there is great value there.

    As for Hedo his best skill is his extreme clutchness. Nothing wrong with that just that Brandon needs to be the guy to take the shot at the buzzer not Hedo. If Hedo isn't your clutch guy then I think he's a tad over rated. I didn't know he had a better defensive rating that's interesting...I still stand by the theory that Prince is undervalued. I wouldn't be opposed to Hedo. I definitely prefer Sessions to Hinrich.
     
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    Well that would be a successful off-season. I'd assume we gave up Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich and sign Turk. I would take that if, for logical reasons, Artest, T. Ariza, Childress, Deng couldn't be brought in. I've given up on Gerald Wallace and Tayshaun Prince. I've come to the conclusion that Portland's only willing to make a move if the cost is Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and any of our second rounders or overseas guys.

    Hinrich and Artest is the best off season we'll have. My fingers are crossed that Pritchard feels comfortable bringing "crazy" into the fold. Personally, I don't think he's a loose cannon. I rather like him.
     
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    I'd take it, but it's not my ideal roster for next season (even factoring in realism). Turkoglu has his strengths, but I think he's being significantly overrated due to his impressive playoff performances this season.

    Still Hinrich and Turkoglu are both very solid players and would improve the team significantly. I just think the team can be even better positioned for next season and seasons after.

    PG: Sessions / Bayless
    SG: Roy / Fernandez
    SF: Batum / Outlaw / Webster
    PF: Aldridge / Pendergraph
    C: Oden / Przybilla

    I'd be pretty happy with that.
     
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    yes, I really want Session and Bayless as the PG rotation. That lineup is fantastic as long as everyone is ok with their minutes/future minutes (Bayless and Rudy). Other then that I love it!

    Edit:

    Oh dear lord I missed that you included Outlaw NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Even if that third SF slot isn't filled so be it!
     
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    This is just my gut feeling, but I don't think Pritch/Nate will replace Blake with Sessions, even if Sessions is now/and in the future the superior player. I believe it all comes down to experience. Without it, I fear Pritch will pass.
     
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    Outlaw isn't a good starter, due to his limitations, but he's definitely a nice luxury to have off the bench. Few teams have a guy who can create their own shot like Outlaw can, coming off the bench.

    Yes, he doesn't do much else well, but most bench players can't create their own shot (Martell Webster is a case in point). Even Rudy can only sporadically do it. He's streaky (which makes him a bad starter) but his average production is quite decent.
     
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    Since when has KP valued experience over talent? Sessions fits the window. Unless you are absolutely certain that Bayless is the future in which case I guess you go with Hinrich. Turkoglu is intriguing since apparently his defense is better then I thought.

    I like what Ministrel said above minus Outlaw trade him for picks anything who cares? Cut him? I prefer a trade but I don't ever want to see Outlaw shoot in the playoffs again and what is Outlaw without his shot?
     
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    While neither Hinrich nor Hedo would be my first choice, there is no doubt we would be a better team.

    My only caveat - if Joel or Oden miss any significant amount of time to injuries, and we had to rely on Pendergraph to play more than 10-12 minutes a game, we would be in deep trouble.
     
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    Would it be possible to retain Frye or sign a 3rd string F/C?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Sure but why the hell would Frye want to sign for the league minimum in the middle of July back to the team that renounced his rights and has little to no need for him? Frye is going to be an unrestricted free agent in a week or so and he's going to get offered at least 2 million per year to play for some team that has no power forwards legitimately taller than 6'9" -- Somebody will take him, guaranteed.
     
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    I didn't think this was so until after the draft, but after the additions of Cunningham and Pendergraph, with some younger talent still on the board, I'm thinking he's more interested in adding players that can play now and have been in the Playoffs.

    Again it's just my gut feeling.
     
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    Miller/Bayless
    Roy/Fernandez
    Turkoglu/Batum/Webster
    Aldridge/Pendergraph
    Oden/Pryz

    That would be a sexy roster! Championship!
     
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    No.

    First of all I don't see Heinrich as much of an upgrade over Blake. Secondly, although I like Hedo Turkoglu, I don't see him fitting in all that well with Nate McMillians system. Hedo, whoever our point guard is, and Brandon Roy can't all have the ball at the same time. And Turkoglu isn't a very good defender.
     

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