Bucher: Miller & Hedo

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  1. Crimson the Cat

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    blazersedge: RT @ricbucher Heard both Hedo and Andre Miller in a sign-and-trade that would send Steve Blake, who played for EJordan in D.C., to Phi
     
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    Hedo AND Miller?! Fuck yes!
     
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    huh? Link?

    Are you saying we sign Hedo and then trade Blake for Miller?
     
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    This was what was put out by a blazersedge's tweet. If its bucher of espn then there must be a link to more info on espn
     
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    Can't understand this post.

    Complete sentences please. Pretend I'm stupid and can't decipher code. Thanks.
     
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    Something doesn't add up. We probably won't even have enough cap space to sign Hedo, let alone take on Miller in a lopsided trade.
     
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    I read it as:

    I've heard two things about whom Portland will acquire:

    1. Hedo Turkoglu
    2. Andre Miller in a sign-and-trade where Steve Blake, who played for Eddie Jordan in Washington, would end up in Philadelphia
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I get the Blake for Miller S&T. We get Miller and Philly get a younger replacement starting PG, plus saves money. We get an upgrade at starting PG, but use less cap space than signing Miller outright. And Miller potentially gets more money.

    However, what does this have to do with Hedo? We wouldn't have enough cap space left to sign him him outright. Perhaps there is another lopsided (salary wise) sign and trade here, too. Perhaps Outlaw to Orlando for Hedo in a sign and trade.

    So, perhaps two lopsided sign and trades - one for Miller and one for Blake. That lets us use our cap space on two players rather than one, and clears up any potential log jams at those two positions.

    BNM
     
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    We'd have to trade Blake and Outlaw for a resigned Miller at around $7 million, which would give us an extra $1.5 million in cap space.
     
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    These arent my words. Copied a texted tweet to the board. Its all i got.
     
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    Bucher may not have meant both will happen. He may have meant that those are the two things he's hearing about Portland, and one may happen.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Why Blake AND Outlaw for Miller? Why not Blake for Miller and Outlaw for Hedo in two lopsided sign and trades?

    BNM
     
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    Pull the trigger KP!
     
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    Bucher is on twitter. The whole @ thing is how you talk to people on twitter.


    Bucher is saying that we are talking about a sign and trade with both Philly and Orlando for Miller and Hedo respectively. Blake would go to Philly, who's coach is Eddie Jordan who coached him in Washington. He doesn't mention anything about what is going to Washington, but I would imagine it would be Outlaw and or Webster along with one of our picks maybe?
     
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    That's possible, but I think it would be much harder to get two teams to agree to S&T. It would be much easier to get one team to agree where they get equal or more talent back in return, and simply sign the other.
     
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    Link? There has to be a link? SOMEONE FIND IT AHGASHDFHASDHFAKHDFS
     
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    Not really - if both teams realize they can't afford to keep their current assets, but find it preferable to get back a cheaper, serviceable replacement rather than just letting their current players walk and get nothing in return.

    The Magic already added Vince to replace Hedo's scoring. Adding Outlaw as a spark off the bench would be better than just letting Hedo walk for nothing.

    These are just round numbers (for simplicity sake). Say the Blazers have $7 million in cap space. Rather than offer one of Miller or Hedo a contract starting at $7 million, they could offer Philly Blake, at approximately $5 million for Miller signed for $8 million and Outlaw ($4 million) to Orlando for Hedo signed to a contract starting at $8 million. The Blazers take back $7 million more than they send out - which uses their cap space.

    We get two free agents each signed to a higher starting salary than we could offer either one outright. Philly gets a replacement starting PG, saves $3 million his year and isn't locked into a long term contract with Miller. Orlando gets a scorer off the bench, saves $4 million this year and isn't locked into a long term contract for Hedo.

    I'm just talking round numbers here and not necessarily advocating we give both Miller and Hedo long term deals starting at $8 million. Just showing how two sign and trades (or two lopsided trades in general) are a far better use of our cap space that just blowing our cap space wad on a single free agent. Similar offers could be made for Hinrich and/or Gerald Wallace - assuming their teams are looking to dump salary and long term contracts for players on cheaper, 1-year contracts.

    BNM
     

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