Merged: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion

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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion

    Agreed.

    I don't think that this is true. Carter is an excellent passer. Hedo is a good passer for someone his size, but Carter is a better passer in absolute terms IMO.

    Hedo has had two straight 22+ assist percentage years, but his career is only a shade over 16, and Carter's been over 25 four of the last six years, with his down years (last year 23.7 and 05-06's 24.4) each being higher than Hedo's career high.

    I don't think that this is a problem... first of all, a reputation is different from reality, and secondly... what team has won an NBA championship without a primadonna attitude? Primadonnas get more respect from opponents and referees and almost every top player in the NBA has a less-than-humble character.

    Really? I'd definitely prefer the latter. Carter would have reshaped this team and how teams defend Brandon Roy in a way that Gordon just would not.

    A bigger deal favoring Vince rather than Ben is that Carter only would have the Blazers on the hook for two seasons... it would be great to get out from under his contract soon after the Blazers start paying the big three the big bucks they will get.

    With Gordon, as with Hedo, there will be five year contracts, rather than two, and financially that makes less sense.

    I agree that that is better than any of the other options we've been discussing... I just lack confidence we'll be able to procure a PG upgrade. Hopefully... :)

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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    2009 cap space can be rolled over into 2010 cap space... it's not like it goes away or they had to have used it this year.

    The Nets could have just spent less on their team this year than they otherwise will be and saved their ownership millions (maybe lots of millions) of money now.

    Alternatively, they could sign a player or two to a big one year deal and let him walk at the end of the season... or try to turn around and trade him for an expiring contract and other value after December.

    Either way, they have 2010 cap space.

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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    I'm not sure the money saved would offset the lack of attendance in a crippled economy, and they didn't lose their next two #1 picks this way. Again, I don't think that the alleged deal has anything to do with reality.
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    You think that their attendance will remain stable because of Courtney Lee and Skip to my Lou? Because the Nets have MORE salary this year than they would have if they had acquired the RLEC, and I don't think any of those guys are (a) going to help them win that much, or (b) draw fans.

    The Nets were going to see an attendance dip after trading VC either way. I think they'd be better off not paying for 2009's salaries of expiring stiffs and Lee.

    I'm not really considering the picks here. I'm just saying that Portland could have given up the same level of nothing that Orlando did.

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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    None at all. Lee/LMA...who starts at SF? Bad idea.
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    The key word here is "could".
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    At this point I say stick with Batum at SF and just get Andre Miller. I feel like McMillan is more behind the Turk deal and KP is just trying to get the player his coach wants. McMillan starting Rudy in game 6 against the Rockets makes me believe this. Nate wants more scoring when his team still can't play good, consistent defense.
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    The David Lee-Portland connection is so weird. It makes almost no sense, and yet it keeps popping back up.

    I'd love to see us get him just so I could see what would happen next. :)

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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    Too lazy to browse through this.

    Toronto is rumored to be building up a $60 million offer for Hedo.
     
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    So how was dinner, Hedo?

    It's 9:30 p.m. here in the eastern time zone, so Nate and Hedo must be finishing up their dinner in Orlando right about now. Let's hope that it went well, and that everything Nate said about the Blazers had a pleasant taste to Hedo!

    :ghoti:
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    They have to have a payroll of around 40 million, not sure the exact number.
     
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    Re: So how was dinner, Hedo?




    I hope to God Nate didn't tell him that despite being better, he would still play Blake Outlaw ahead of him because he is "comfortable" with Travis and Steve.
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    Yep. Cap space carries over, but not all of it.
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    If you can't get Turk might as well get something!
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    Where's Hedo? He's in Portland right? Let's go MOB him!
     
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    Re: So how was dinner, Hedo?

    I have a shirt I am very comfortable in. Unfortunately it has holes in it and smells bad.

    So it's just like Blake and Outlaw.
     
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    Maybe you should try washing the shirt . . . and the holes gives it personality. :D
     
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    Re: Quick reports talks with Hedo's agent / Hedo Turkoglu discussion (MERGED)

    Sorry for the delayed response... but this isn't necessarily true. It depends on how much your existing contracts increase and what the salary cap does (go up or down).

    NJ is at ~$57m in salary cap use right now. About $13m of that is from the Orlando trade. The Nets seemingly might have been willing to save that $13m in salaries for 09-10 and they'd have that same space available next year.

    I don't understand how any of it would disappear for next summer.

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