Who's Behind This Mess?

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  1. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. You turn assumptions, on your part, into fact.
     
  2. BTOWN_HUSTLA

    BTOWN_HUSTLA NOW BUZZ KILLINGTON

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    Tom Penn. The Genius who cleared a lot of cap space to overpay for a mediocre player who had a good little run in the playoffs.
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    He is not great. He is better than what we have, and will be for a few years. In last years playoffs, since you brought it up, Hedo had a very average at best PER of 13.24. Outlaw 6.34 and Batum 6.12 didn't combine to have that.

    The answer by the way is 11 out of 24 games he shot 50% or better.

    His FG% was up in the playoffs.
    His 3pt% was up in the playoffs .
    His FT% was up in the playoffs.


    So he shot better in every category in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. Is that bad to you?
     
  4. graybeard

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    You don't suppose you could be wrong in your assessment of Hedo, do you?
     
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    Oden said he picked things up watching Pzybilla. Of course the person needs PT as well, but it is a tradition in sports for the veteran to tutor the younger guy. When Phoenix traded the Sergio and later Rudy picks to Portland the buzz around the NBA was that it did not make sense; Nash is getting older and what better person for a young guard to learn under?
     
  6. gatorpops

    gatorpops Allen Crabb hits winning shot on Nov24 vs Blazers

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    Are you Mixum?
     
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    I understand that there is a common perception around the league that having Vets tudor younger players works.. I'm saying I don't buy it.

    I also don't put a lot of stock into what Professional athletes say... have you ever heard an MLB player talk about how to hit?

    Its funny - alot of what they say is completely opposite of what they do. It may feel like Steve Nash could tudor Sergio, simply by watching him play.. but I don't think that really makes a difference.

    just my two cents.
     
  8. LittleAlex

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    It is common knowledge that Allen was behind both the Z-Bo and Miles contracts. In fact, we bid against ourselves in both those deals.

    Now, I would expect Allen to learn from his mistakes, so I don't think Allen is behind the Hedo signing. The free agent market IS behind it. Hedo isn't the best player in the world, but he is the best one available.

    If you want a conspiracy you can always find one. The reality is Portland can't really get anyone else better.
     
  9. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Nate.

    He's running the show now, and KP has shelved the dynasty plan to placate Mr. Snailball.

    Paul Allen picked Nate, just as he insisted on Carlesimo and WeakCheeks. He's obsessed with mediocrity when it comes to coaches.
     
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    Hedo will be able to hit Greg Oden on the pick and roll for some dunks! Just imagine how that facet of the game will help us.

    I'd bring Hedo off the bench with Greg, Bayless can be our slasher while Rudy and Outlaw chuck up the 3 pointers.
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Silly notion.

    The "reality" is every player in the league is available by trade, and the FA market will always be the source of mediocre, overrated, aging players and nothing more.

    Smart teams use the draft and trade, ignoring the refuse in the FA heap.
     
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    This is what the 09 plan is? forced to spend on table scraps?

    Like I said, Tom Penn and KP for overestimating cap flexibility.
     
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    How about this then.

    Hedo is the best player available for the kinds of moves it appears KP is willing to make.
     
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    In all fairness, they did get screwed by the Miles situation.

    Though really that money wouldn't have been very useful this off season anyway.

    Why do you think I was so bummed when the trade deadline came and went? Because I knew what free agents were available this summer.
     
  15. BTOWN_HUSTLA

    BTOWN_HUSTLA NOW BUZZ KILLINGTON

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    They didn't get screwed by the Miles situation. I was bummed when we planned to clear cap space for 2 years away. Like I said back then, its Imaginary because you don't know what the market is going to be like. We had names like CP3 being thrown around and players of that level, now its just boiled to Blazer fans trying to justify why Hedo Turkolu is the answer?

    we were also supposed to be able to take back big contracts in trades. DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW CAP SPACE WORKZ? LOLZ?
     
  16. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You don't get to see Oden playing against Przybilla in practices. I'm sure he learns a lot from it.

    ALL THE TIME.


    As I pointed out, the teams play 3-on-3 or 5-on-5 in practice. If Sergio destroyed the 1st stringers, he'd have been out there in the games. Same with Bayless.
     
  17. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    So because Toronto is unwilling to cut three to five players and overpay, which they would be doing by paying $1.25M to $2M per season more, they've determined "he's not much of a player". It couldn't be that the cost is more than they can pay?

    Your thought process here doesn't make any sense. It's like you're looking for an opportunity to bash Turk and/or Pritchard for wanting to bring him in.

    You act as if ORL has no say in the matter. You know what the "rest of the league" has offered? ORL made their choice. They've decided to deal a couple of bit players and a solid prospect for Vince Carter; then seemingly allow Turk to walk. I think it's a good move by them and would believe it was their best option at upgrading their team.

    Again, you're trying to discount Turk's value to Portland with some flawed logic, IMO.

    Again, more baseless takes. I don't get it. And, for that matter, posters have already proven that he does play defense. The stats prove it. The naked eye can see it as well, at least the people I run with. Why are you ignoring this? Because it doesn't fit your opinion of him?

    We want to pay him like a quality starter. Star players make more.

    I can't respond to the rest. You've got me worked up.
     
  18. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    You're no Prophet. In fact, in recent memory, I can't recall a prediction you've made that really panned out. You seem to state a lot "facts" and then don't back them up. You're like the equivalent of a person that smacks someone upside the head and runs before the afflicted knows who hit them.

    I may be wrong. It's just this is the impression I get from you. It gets sort of tiring.
     
  19. RickyRubio

    RickyRubio He Hate Me

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    He was talking about you fams.
     
  20. LameR

    LameR Ha Seung-Jin Approved!

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    About 99% sure that BP knows that and wanted to turn it into a jab at Allen.
     

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