No, it would be a tougher call then. If I believed Portland would get a prime Turkoglu for his entire contract length, I'd be more interested in him. Of course, two years ago, he wouldn't have looked like a "point forward"...it's only been the last two years that he's had such a high Assist Rate.
It seems though that his jumper was a bit off last year, for someone like him it is still reasonable that it could return. I think he's a solid addition for you guys, could be even better than what he was last season.
I think he's definitely a solid acquisition next year and year after. Maybe even in 2011-2012, too. It's the year or two after that that it gets dicey. Plus, one would like to get more than a "solid" player for ~$10 million per year, but you can't always get what you want.
I have wanted Childress for two summers now. He is a good all around player and doesn't demand the ball. He would be a perfect match for our team. Plus he will be at least a couple of million less a year than Turk.
While I don't know enough to comment on Turk v Childman as to whom is better, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this quote. People seem to want to treat the Euroleague and the NBA as apples to apples when it clearly is not. Is the competition close? Sure, on some teams, against some teams, and in some leagues. But close and on par..well...and facing that competition level night in and night out might be a different story. Guess we won't know till we sign both of them and have them replace Webster, Batum, and Outlaw.
And Turks stats were much better in the NBA than Childress's were playing in Europe. The argument that he wouldn't need as big a contract as Turk is worthless, since we're going to be over the cap anyways. Might as well upgrade as much as possible. I honestly don't think Childress is even an upgrade over our current trio of SF's. Why get a guy who just does everything okay with our capspace. Why go after mediocrity? Him and Ariza just seem redundant and I hope to God we don't go after either of them. If we can't get Turk (someone who can actually make a play to help Roy), either try and trade for a SF or just focus on PG.
Are you two being serious or doing an extended comedic bit? Surely you realize that Childress has played the majority of his pro career in the NBA? He's played four seasons in the NBA and one in Europe. In terms of competition faced, are his NBA seasons comparable to Turkoglu's NBA seasons?
Thanks, captain obvious. His stats were even worse when he played in the NBA... he regressed in 07-08, so you're hurting your argument. I'm honestly amazed that some of you think so highly of him. Guess we'll agree to disagree.
Actually he put up pretty good stats... he only "regressed" in 07-08 because he played fewer minutes. The minutes that he played were actually more effective than they had been in any other season. Ed O.
Why'd he play less minutes? On Atlanta of all places... Edit - and btw, his "pretty good stats" are almost mirror images of Travis Outlaw's... who came off our bench...
Well, it didn't seem obvious to either of you, as you were talking about how Euroleague statistics aren't comparable. Childress the Euroleague prospect! I'm not hurting my argument at all. 2004-05: 15.2 PER 2005-06: 15.8 PER 2006-07: 16.2 PER 2007-08: 17.8 PER He improved every year in the NBA. He started out as a roughly average player and was solidly above-average by the year prior to going to Greece. PER adjusts for pace, opportunities to rebound and it factors in drawing and making free throws and the fact that three-point shots are worth more points into scoring efficiency. When you factor those things in, Childress is an incredibly efficient (though not volume) scorer, a very good rebounder for a wing and a solid passer for a wing. He's also generally considered a good defender, which isn't really considered in PER. He's not a star, but he's a tremendous complementary player.
Probably because Atlanta was stuffed with young wings. Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams. They were completely unbalanced in terms of team composition.
He isn't a big threat from 3. That doesn't help us. He creates and passes about like Travis. That doesn't help us. How does this help Roy? I just don't think he fits our needs. Does this mean we're not going to agree to disagree? I was so looking forward to that.
He isn't a big threat, but he's a decent threat. He shoots 36% from three-point range, career. Designated shooter, Martell Webster, shoots 37%, career. I think he's a significantly better and smarter passer than Outlaw, but I agree that he's not a primary creator. It's reasonable to believe that the fit isn't ideal. I think he fits well because he plays good defense, provides all-around contribution and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective (which will be important as Roy, Aldridge and Oden start to suck up the vast majority of shots, to say nothing of Bayless if he develops). We can surely agree to disagree. I took your continued posts in response to mine as a consensual discussion.
He shoots less than one a game. That's not a threat even if he shoots 50%. You stop first Okay, I'm leaving.
He shoots when he's open, basically, because he realizes he's not a great enough shooter to knock them down, contested. I certainly don't think he's a great shooter, but he's good enough to take advantage of open threes if defenders leave him to double Roy, Aldridge or Oden. In Atlanta, there wasn't much post presence to pull defenders away. Agree to disagree.
What is Childress making in Europe? I am drawing a blank, but I thought he was doing pretty well financially. There are really 2 cost factors here: what are his salary expectations, and what would the Hawks want as compensation for the S&T. The fact that there have been zero rumors about teams courting the Hawks/Childress makes me wonder if one or both demands are too high.
Didn't Chill blow out his ACL this past year? I like him, but I'm a little concerned about just where he is in his recovery from that injury.
