REPORT: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

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  1. Freshtown

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    He's also a little bit more expendable when you consider the fact that he'll most likely opt out next year, and at age 31, look for his last long term deal. Are we really going to give Joel another 5-year deal when he's 31 for more than 25 million, especially considering the cap's going down and we have about 5 players that will deserve 8-14 million per year in the next few seasons?
     
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    Joel will stay a Blazer - and I'll bet he'd extend for the right price!

    He's shown his loyalty in the past to this regard!

    I'd be really surprised to see Joel traded. And I will also be surprised to see his current contract expire (as I feel he'll be offered - and will sign - an extension that is suitable for everyone to live with).
     
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    They did. I read somewhere that he said he didn't want to be compare with Yao Ming, which was one reason he didn't go there.

    I still don't get it: if the point is to bring in Millsap for toughness and rebounding, why would you get rid of the guy who embodies those, and beats Millsap in both respects, along with defense (which is supposed to be a weakness of the Blazers, with offense - Millsap's lone advantage over Prz - their strength)? And in so doing it would force us to play either LaMarcus or Millsap out of position at C. Makes little sense to me.
     
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    I disagree.

    Joel loves Portland, but I think he also views himself as a starter. Next year, or at worst the year after Oden should be getting no less than 35 minutes per game, as well as Aldridge. That leaves 26 minutes per game left total. Of those, Joel can realistically play 13. I don't really think he would be happy with that. If the team actually does offer Millsap or Bass then that would more than like mean less time for Joel.

    I actually think if Oden plays close to expectations then Joel will opt out after this season. I think he can probably get some of the money teams have been clearing to sign these huge FA's because most will likely stay with their teams. Joel will vault to the top of the FA class pretty quickly because defensive centers are pretty valuable, and Joel is at the top of the defensive centers list.
     
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    GMs won't tell you what they're going to do but usually toot their horns pretty proudly on what they've done.

    so who to believe... Quick or KP :smiley-hmm:

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    Quick states we have made the offer. KP states we have not. I went to the Salt Lake Tribune and they don't mention anything about an offer to him.

    Hmmmmmmmmm..................., Jason Quick telling lies? Shocking!
     
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    I think another advantage would be offensive production.

    82games.com shows that per 48 minutes

    Millsap has a PF PER of 20.7 and a center PER of 20.9

    Millsap's Opp. PF PER is 16.5 and a center per of 11.5



    Joel has a center PER of 17.5. The same as his Opponents


    Aldridge does not have a good PER differential at center, but still a higher PER than Joel.


    So maybe Millsap is quite a bit better than Joel? And he can play two possitions.
     
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    Try not to bash on Quick too much

    He was right about The contract thing

    He was right about them being interested in Millsap
     
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    it's day #3 that Roy and Aldridge can be extended and KP is on record (all along and again yesterday) saying this absolutely will happen. Yet Quick's panties are firmly wedged.

    You've got to be kidding about being right about Millsap. Being interested in him doesn't mean jack... they talk to and about everybody and everything. Quick reported an offer had been extended... that he knew specific yearly dollars.

    Try not to apologize for Quick too much... dude is ridiculous

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    Regardless, people in here are calling him a liar and such, and I think that is off base. No one knew we were after Millsap until Quick broke it that we were. No one had any idea that Roy and Aldridge's contract talks were hitting even the slightest snag until Quick broke it that they were. While slight, and nothing will more than likely come of it, it was true.
     
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    I think so. Joel's game isn't predicated on athleticism.
     
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    So I am hearing now that the offer sheet was not sent. WTF I am sick of these smokescreens.
     
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    We know that Pritchard and management check in with nearly every single possible option as part of their process. Quick extrapolating Blazer management talking to Millsap into an offer has been made and he knows specific the dollar figures isn't being flat wrong yet again???
    If we were a month or so past the time where they could be extended, you'd have a legit point that JQ's panicky speculations were justified. But of course history provides many examples franchise type players that teams obviously want to lock up who still needed a couple days to pound out the details of their agreement. How many more of this guy's cries of wolf! will get you to sprint up the hill?

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    As to why the Raptors have their MLE, they never went below the salary cap. This is because of the massive cap hold that Marion put on their team. Because of this they didn't need to renounce their MLE, and why they received it back by making the moves they made.

    Portland, however, if they didn't renounce their MLE prior to July 1st, would be stuck with just $1.9M in cap space now.

    I can't find exact proof of what my understanding is of this but I remember reading this on Blazersedge.com a month ago.
     
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    Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

    Dude, you keep saying this, but it makes no sense.

    If we were under the salary cap by a $1, we wouldn't be able to do anything greater than a team that's over the cap. We'd still have the cap holds of our exceptions, which would put us over the cap. We could renounce all of those exceptions, and then we'd have 1 measly dollar to play with in free agency, which wouldn't even buy premium song on iTunes.

    Being under the salary cap by a $1 doesn't give you a blank check to go spending any amount you want.
     
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    I'm still not sold. I really hope I'm proven wrong.
     
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    Blazers don't really want Millsap

    It is obvious that if Portland really wanted Millsap, the offer would be made.

    The threat of the offer forced Utah to the table. That much was clearly successful. Utah does not want to have to match or watch Millsap walk away.

    Now the Blazers must find a 3-way for Boozer that lands a player we want, in some combination. This is not as tricky as it sounds: make a list of the teams that might want Boozer for a year, and see what they might have to offer in exchange.

    Portland and maybe Utah fill in in lesser players (Blake/Outlaw/etc) as needed to finish the deal.

    Only if Portland and Utah *fail* to find a 3-way deal that works, will Portland make the offer to Millsap, take him, and then we'll probably have little choice but to put Joel on the market for a Battier or PG.

    iWatas
     
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    I'm lost . . . is the title true? Is there an official offer that has been sent to Utah?
     
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