Will You Help Me With My Next Film? ...a request from Michael Moore

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  1. Idog1976

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    :cheers: I'm sure we can find stuff to disagree about if we try hard enough. :wink:

    Nice to hear about your position as a conservative that believes in conserving the environment. I know I would give virtually anything to have the kind of fishing my grandfather enjoyed. I also wish we had more old growth and used faster growing trees for lumber and paper products. Old growth is irreplacable. I also think that old growth rain forests in particular (Along with coral reefs and to a lesser extent temperate old growth) contain what is most likely the most valuable thing in the universe, widely diversified DNA. When you think about it someday we hope to be able to explore space. At that time things like gold, diamonds and rare metals will become easy to mine from asteroids even water can be got from these places. But life must be the rarest of all things and therefore the most valuable. From a more human point of view all this DNA and genes could be used to make medicines and improve our life. Seems a shame to chop it all down for big macs and toilet paper!
     
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    I didn't know Oregon required Master's degrees. South Carolina requires a high school education.

    It would be different for me if I saw more emphasis on teaching.

    My sister-in-law and two aunts are teachers. All of them are good, smart people. All of them feel hamstrung teaching the kids. There's no accountability (for the students or the teachers), and when kids can start finishing school and passing standard tests, then perhaps my opinion will increase slightly. But for all the "it's a noble profession!" sentiment, it's BS to me. Good teachers are good, good for society and should be rewarded. Poor ones shouldn't get to ride their coattails just because they're in a "noble profession", and not really tapping the potential of the kids they're supposed to be teaching. :dunno:
     
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    Michael Moore's new documentary gets a name

     
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    I wonder how he'll feel if the people "profiting" off his movies stop funding them and that fat fuck's food bill?
     
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    So Moore's next film is an attack on capitalism, the very system that allows him to make millions off his movies?

    Do I have that straight?
     
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    Yes. However, your point is irrelevant.
     
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    My point is exactly to the point. Moore is a hypocrite who is slamming the very economic system which has made him wealthy.
     
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    Exactly my view. I don't see funding as an issue.... When I do back of the envelope calculations based upon what the cost is per pupil, I have a hard time spending all that money. Check it out:

    They claim the classrooms are too crowded. Assume a 40:1 student:teacher ratio. At $10K/student (the figures are in the public record), that's $400K per teacher.

    So pay the teacher $100K and you have $300K left over. Pay $200K to paint the walls, fix the roof, and buy books. Heck, at $1K per computer, you can buy a brand new computer every year per student @ $40K of that.

    Leaves $100K to pay the janitor and the principal and anything else that would be considered common or support. That's $100K per home room to pay for those things. Plenty.

    See?

    So the real issue is the system itself. The great young teachers don't have tenure so they can't be paid what they're worth. They go elsewhere. The older crappy teachers get tenure and pay based upon years of service instead of merit and they aren't going anywhere.

    It has to be true that the teachers are mediocre if the results are as bad as most reports say they are.
     
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    Well, he's not a banker, so far as I know. If he made a movie criticizing people who make films with a political point of view, then you might have a point.

    But otherwise, you are just saying "America, love it or leave it". No criticism allowed, because we all get some benefit from the existing system.

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    You can read the Flivver King and get the same message that this movie will have. And the Flivver King will be 10 times more entertaining.
     
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    Love him or hate him Michael Moore makes some of the most entertaining social commentary. Even if you don't agree with him at least his documentaries approach serious issues with humor.

    I wish the conservative movement would have an equivalent
     
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  13. Eastoff

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    not always the case, but you are underpaid. You have to like the sport and want to help it grow.

    Salary people never get OT. There are plenty of engineers and business people on salary.

    However, I generally agree that teachers are very important and extremely giving people. But I think there is always room for improvement in the system. Mainly more teachers with more qualifications!
     
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  14. Eastoff

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    I find this VERY hypocritical after his movie about Bowling for Columbine. The middle of this clearly suggests violence against those who took money.
     
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    this is a contradiction. Fast growing trees for lumber is the opposite of diversification. A similar example is the chicken. There is basically one hybrid species of chicken that is used everywhere for human consumption. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a vegetarian. The answer to the lumber industry is thinning of trees, not planting crops.
     
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  16. Eastoff

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    I think 35 kids is a more reasonable number for oregon schools. That being said you are also ignoring health care for the teachers. Probably some insurance is necessary in addition. All of the bills of lighting and giving water to the schools. Grounds maintenance must be taken care of, but that's part of your painting and roofs, right? I know my schools had a nurse atleast once a day. High Schools typically have some kind of advisor. You also typically need a secretary for answering calls about "Why isn't billy in advanced placement reading?" and the PE teachers and Music teachers, i would hope.
     
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