thats precisely why players generally sign for less on the extension... they are choosing security over the absolute max dollars. It's ultimately their choice whether that seems like the right way to go or not, but plenty of players have been burned by passing on a lucrative but less then max deals to ultimately end up signing for far less. Injuries happen, and situations change. While of course every Blazer fan wants Roy back, I'm rooting for team success much more then Brandon Roy success. The team has a lot of leverage in this negotiation which I don't begrudge them using. It want a reasonable shot of keeping the club together if the youngins turn out as good as hoped... totally maxing Roy out doesn't serve this interest. I understand that negotiating often shows us the ugly side of people. But for some it must hard to see their hero going public (in this economy) wanting extra millions to not "feel insulted" by an offer that only pays 10M more yearly then most Portlanders will ever touch in their lives. Arguing meriting the max in public absolutely will tarnish his golden boy marketing image. Hopefully he'll look at the big picture and realize settling for a little less is arguably in his best interest. If he's to truly cash in it will be on the contract after this one when the Blazers are dominating the league. STOMP
As I said: the players are UFAs (unlike Roy). The odds of all teams ALL deciding to "lowball" the players seems outlandish. I wonder, though, wow (in your opinion) could the Blazers negotiate here without "lowballing" Roy? It's not like they're offering Bargnani-like money. It seems to me that you are, for some reason, offended that the Blazers would negotiate at all, rather than immediately give Roy what he wants. Ed O.
From a leverage standpoint, it would make sense...but I doubt the union could pull it off. The NBA players' union has too many grasshoppers, and not enough ants. They have guys making millions - and still living paycheck-to-paycheck. Asking them to sacrifice today to get a better deal tomorrow is like asking them to recite Hamlet in Sanskrit.
Paul Allen X1000 in terms of wealth FTW. Portland as a city will side with Roy and not Tod Leiweke/Paul Allen, Golden Boy image or otherwise. Are you saying Roy should sign for less than what Bargnani signed for, knowing that his owner is the 3rd richest man in the USA? LOL
I totally agree with that, but IF they had their s**t straight, sometime this season would be the time to strike. LIke I said, I'm just throwing stuff against the wall in terms of how the players could gain some leverage.
I don't think they could do it either. For one thing, the PR would be horrific. "We are striking because our contract runs out in a couple of years and we want the owners to agree to a new deal now even though no one knows what the economy is going to be like by then." barfo
Paul Allen isn't the one asking for a larger slice of the Blazer salary pie that takes away the chances of resigning other key Blazers, and I very much doubt he'll be calling into radio shows on the matter. Brandon speaking publicly on this will not resonate with every Blazer fan. I'm sure one of the local Canzano's will call him just another out of touch money hungry athlete out for themselves. It's Brandon's choice how he wants to come off. hulk think... math very hard. What does an average Portlander make over the course of their lifetime? I'm guessing well over a million dollars. Bargnani signed for 5 years 50M and I stated that Brandon has a deal on the table paying him more then 10M a year more then most Portlanders will make in a lifetime. Does that help? STOMP
No, it doesn't help when the owner is worth 1000x times what the player the city loves is worth. As for the "hulk" comment? It's a tell on how you view your argument. PapaG
no it doesn't help, but it really doesn't hurt either. Since PA doesn't voice his side of things very often, he's mostly out of the general public's mind. He's the guy in the glasses sitting next to Pritchard who started Microsoft and has bad teeth. Video clips of Brandon articulating why 10M+ a year isn't enough would resonate with Blazer fans... articles would be written discussing the issue from all sides. While that may help some see his side of things it will also cast him in a very bad light with other fans... the end result being a lower overall marketability. Going public for Brandon splits the costumers on him which lowers his marketability... cut off your nose to spite your face stuff is that really what you got out of it... believe me, I was commenting on other things STOMP
Who are the other key players, and how does having the richest owner in all of sports take away chances for signing key players already under contract?
In other words, nothing. I thought so. You may as well let Ed continue to make your argument. As far as I've read, you've contributed nothing to the debate other than "hulk think hard" insults.
coming from you of course this earns a whatever dude... I'll do as I like regardless of your approval thanks. Its funny how often simple points need to be explained when you're taking on the board in yet another tangent rant... I'd call it a trend. Then after the simple point has been re-explained you ignore it and go strictly personal like the quote above. You remind me of a poster who used to frequent our group who went by the alias Terrible. I've named them in other posts in this thread where I responded to you. And being the richest owner stuff only goes so far. It provides some cushion that other small market teams don't have, but how many millions do you expect him to reasonable lose on the team a year? STOMP
Giving $10.3 million to a back-up PF when in a "break even" mode isn't going to help the bottom-line.
Well to be fair the city wont side with Roy if he handles this poorly. Speaking about it once or twice in public is fine (even if it is only the first week), but he if were to do it on a consistent basis and bring up the idea that he isn't making enough he'd definitely lose supporters. Especially when you consider Oregon's unemployment rate and the contrast of how much money he makes even on his rookie deal every year to how much the average fan makes. His agent will have to have him play this carefully because public opinion can turn fast, and in this economy with so many people hurting they do not want to hear millionaires (regardless of how much they are adored) complaining about just making 60 million compared to 80.
