<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here are some numbers for ya.Kobe in the playofs over his career: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 4.8 rpg, .434 shootingMJ in the playoffs over his career: 33.4 ppg, 5.7 apg, 6.4 rpg, .486 shootingKobe played worse in the playoffs then he did in the regular season. And he made the playoffs in his greater years yet still didn't play his best at times. MJ on the other hand, upped his already monster numbers into godlike numbers when he got to the playoffs. Thats what defines greatness. How you play when everything is on the line. MJ clearly beats Kobe there. He also beats Kobe with 6 championships and 6 Finals MVP's to Kobe's 3 and 0. MJ's career numbers are also much higher then Kobe's. I honestly don't know how you think Kobe will be better then MJ considering the only other jewelry Kobe will ever get will be from a shop. But seriously, how can you even say this? Explain to me why you think Kobe will be greater then MJ?</div>Kobe wasn't the top option then. Geez, do you not realize this?? Kobe was the INITIATOR of the Triangle then. That means you get the others guys the ball. Yo pretty much play Point guard. Scoring 22 a game and winning 3 ships in the time, while not being the top option, that's saying something.Kobe still has alot of time left, that's another thing you still haven't realized.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here are some numbers for ya.Kobe in the playofs over his career: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 4.8 rpg, .434 shootingMJ in the playoffs over his career: 33.4 ppg, 5.7 apg, 6.4 rpg, .486 shootingKobe played worse in the playoffs then he did in the regular season. And he made the playoffs in his greater years yet still didn't play his best at times. MJ on the other hand, upped his already monster numbers into godlike numbers when he got to the playoffs. Thats what defines greatness. How you play when everything is on the line. MJ clearly beats Kobe there. He also beats Kobe with 6 championships and 6 Finals MVP's to Kobe's 3 and 0. MJ's career numbers are also much higher then Kobe's. I honestly don't know how you think Kobe will be better then MJ considering the only other jewelry Kobe will ever get will be from a shop. But seriously, how can you even say this? Explain to me why you think Kobe will be greater then MJ?</div>You didn't mention the one thing nobody else has, either: the triangle was built around Shaq to score, score, score. Shaq played against Todd MacCulloch, Rik Smits and Dikembe Mutombo in the Finals with LA. Kobe played against the toughest backcourts you could find, including Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson and Reggie Miller, in those three Finals appearances.
So MJ's you said that MJ's supporting cast was alot better then Kobe's, didn't you? Well shouldn't that mean that MJ's numbers should be worse then Kobe's in the playoffs? Well no, not at all. That is your logic. And if Kobe was playing pg and passing the balla round, why would he only be averaging 4.4 apg in the playoffs??? I guess MJ was being a passer more then Kobe as well and scoring more because his averages of 5.7 apg in the playoffs our better then Kobe's. ANd Kobe was taking less shots. OK but does that justify his fg% being at 43%? MJ's fg% was much higher.Kobe still has alot of time left but do you think he will actually win anything? Come on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So MJ's you said that MJ's supporting cast was alot better then Kobe's, didn't you? Well shouldn't that mean that MJ's numbers should be worse then Kobe's in the playoffs? Well no, not at all. That is your logic. And if Kobe was playing pg and passing the balla round, why would he only be averaging 4.4 apg in the playoffs??? I guess MJ was being a passer more then Kobe as well and scoring more because his averages of 5.7 apg in the playoffs our better then Kobe's. ANd Kobe was taking less shots. OK but does that justify his fg% being at 43%? MJ's fg% was much higher.Kobe still has alot of time left but do you think he will actually win anything? Come on.</div>You obviously have no knowledge of the Triangle offense. Read up on that, it might help.
You obviously are a huge homer. If you have anything left in your weak debate then get rid of the filth right now.
[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='34023' date='Apr 8 2006, 11:02 PM']So MJ's you said that MJ's supporting cast was alot better then Kobe's, didn't you? Well shouldn't that mean that MJ's numbers should be worse then Kobe's in the playoffs?[/quote]No, that's not what that means. Pippen was the best defender of our time. Why do the Lakers lose all of our close games? Because we can't close them out with our pathetic defense. We are first or second in the league with losses by 5 points or less. Give us the Horace Grants and Scottie Pippens that Jordan had, any day of the week, please.[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='34023' date='Apr 8 2006, 11:02 PM']And if Kobe was playing pg and passing the balla round, why would he only be averaging 4.4 apg in the playoffs??? I guess MJ was being a passer more then Kobe as well and scoring more because his averages of 5.7 apg in the playoffs our better then Kobe's.[/quote]Assists are a two-way street, man, you know that. You don't get the assist if your guy misses his shot. Jordan had Pippen, Paxson, Kerr, Grant, Armstrong (who was an All-Star as well)...loaded with shooters. Unfortunately, all Kobe had was Shaq. Horry would only appear with 3 seconds left, and Fisher was a bad shooter.[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='34023' date='Apr 8 2006, 11:02 PM']ANd Kobe was taking less shots. OK but does that justify his fg% being at 43%? MJ's fg% was much higher.[/quote]Jordan drives to the hoop more. In fact, what was it that Shaq always does for his players...kicks it back out for the shot? Jordan's shooting % was based on his dunks and layups much more than his shooting, especially since the rest of the scoring wasn't from inside the paint with Luc Longley. The paint was wide open for both he and Pippen.[quote name='CB4AllStar' post='34023' date='Apr 8 2006, 11:02 PM']Kobe still has alot of time left but do you think he will actually win anything? Come on.[/quote]Yes.
ahh I'm fed up with this crap. Why would anyone honestly compare Kobe with MJ? I'll let someone else handle the rest of this debate. It is not worth it to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You obviously are a huge homer. If you have anything left in your weak debate then get rid of the filth right now.</div>Huge homer??If Vince Carter or any other player was showing signs of passing Jordan, and I thought they would pass Jordan, I would back them up just as much as I would Kobe. Another fvcking ignorant comment.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ahh I'm fed up with this crap. Why would anyone honestly compare Kobe with MJ? I'll let someone else handle the rest of this debate. It is not worth it to me.</div>Who the fvck else would you compare to Jordan?!!??! Get real.
What signs has Kobe shown that he can pass Jordan? That if he shoots a ton of shots that he can score quite a bit, or is it leading his team to a 1st round exit and a 7th seed? Or could it be teeing off on the worst defensive team in the League? My god. Kobe hasn't shown anything to be compared to Jordan. GOD. This is starting to piss me off. Count me back in the debate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What signs has Kobe shown that he can pass Jordan? That if he shoots a ton of shots that he can score quite a bit, or is it leading his team to a 1st round exit and a 7th seed? Or could it be teeing off on the worst defensive team in the League? My god. Kobe hasn't shown anything to be compared to Jordan. GOD. This is starting to piss me off. Count me back in the debate.</div>What signs has Kobe NOT shown that he can pass Jordan?Have I mentioned the 81 point game once in this thread? No.
Wow that was retarded. Your now acting like a litle kid. Don't be stupid bc I can name a ton of signs why Kobe is not better then Jordan.Answer my question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What signs has Kobe shown that he can pass Jordan? That if he shoots a ton of shots that he can score quite a bit, or is it leading his team to a 1st round exit and a 7th seed? Or could it be teeing off on the worst defensive team in the League? My god. Kobe hasn't shown anything to be compared to Jordan. GOD. This is starting to piss me off. Count me back in the debate.</div>In all fairness, Jordan has never won two playoffs games without Scottie Pippen. In fact, without Pippen, he has never won over 41 games in a season.On the flip side, Pippen won 55 without Jordan, the year after Jordan retired.
Wow. What does that prove? MJ was with Pippen for the majority of his career. If your going to play it that way. How many playoff games has Kobe won w/o Shaq?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow. What does that prove? MJ was with Pippen for the majority of his career. If your going to play it that way. How many playoff games has Kobe won w/o Shaq?</div>My point exactly. Think about what you said for a minute.No reason to compare the playoffs stats then, is there?Now...I'm looking for someone to prove to me that Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, that Kobe hasn't had better in-game performances than Jordan, and that Kobe is more selfish than Jordan ever was.It can't be proven...none of it.
Why isnt there a reason to compare playoff stats? THe Playoffs is a time when the players' inner self and greatness can shine through or not. For MJ, greatness definately shone through. Kobe looked average when he made the playoffs. See what I'm saying? How could you say that Kobe could be greater then MJ when he has not even done anything to warrant that comparison? MJ has been much greater both, in the regular season and in the playoffs. Im MJ had Shaq. Oh boy, my god their would be one hell of a crime duo going on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why isnt there a reason to compare playoff stats?</div>Because one offense (the reverse triangle offense) was focused around Jordan as being the primary scorer, and Pippen as the initiator, while the other offense (the post triangle) was focused around Shaq as the primary scorer, with Kobe as the initiator.Let's see what Kobe's statistics show this season, in the playoffs...then let's compare them to Jordan's. I'm betting Kobe will average 35+ a game in the playoffs, when he's the primary scorer in the reverse triangle.
K-mart, you do know that thingy about kobe throwing a televsion at Odom was actually not true?Peter Vescey or whateva his name is reported it. He's known as a big kobe/laker hater. It was reported on other new websited that they had a confrontation but nothing was thrown as odom.
Mr, Raps fan... you do realize that Kobe has not been in the playoffs as the number 1 option liek MJ was right. so ofcourse his stats are going to be better, he had one of the greatest shooters of all time, and another top 50 player of all time on his team..Mvp*
