This is just rediculous. Give me one reason (God Damn it it better not be the 81 points) why Kobe is better then Jordan. In any aspect of the game. Give me one reason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 8 2006, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is just rediculous. Give me one reason (God Damn it it better not be the 81 points) why Kobe is better then Jordan. In any aspect of the game. Give me one reason.</div>He's a better shooter from long range. There's one.He's stronger.He's 3-4 game-winners away from breaking Jordan's record of game-winners in a career.Being that my second favorite player of all time is Jordan, I've watched both of them...and Kobe hits shots with defense in his face a bit easier than Jordan. Proof? Both threes vs. Portland two years ago to win the game, the shot to tie it up vs. the Nuggets the other night, and all of his game-winners are on double and triple teams (Bron and Big Z was one, in fact).Kobe is more dangerous in the fourth than Jordan is. Kobe has the record this season for PPG in the fourth, and could be the only player to ever average double digits in the fourth throughout the season.
You know why this is all funny to me? I never once said that Kobe was better than Jordan. However, he's the closest thing to Jordan in terms of style and overall abilities, and it only adds to the reason why Kobe is the MVP this season.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 9 2006, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, nice post. i will continue this debate tomorrow but I'm tired and I think I might go to bed.</div>I'm actually going to take an exit...I'm just trying to get some discussions flowing. You know how I do. :flex:
And I want you guys to realize that im NOT saying Kobe is better than Jordan right now.I'm saying he will go down as the best. The work ethic, the middle of his prime and the desire to win all mixed together, Kobe will get another ring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Apr 9 2006, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And I want you guys to realize that im NOT saying Kobe is better than Jordan right now.I'm saying he will go down as the best. The work ethic, the middle of his prime and the desire to win all mixed together, Kobe will get another ring.</div>If I were to predict how things will be 30 years from now, Jordan will still be the greatest player of all time. Kobe will be right behind him, but extremely close, as the second greatest.
Are you kidding. You would put Kobe over greats like the big o, wilt, bird, magic or KareemAbdul-Jabbar. I would squeeze Kobe into the top 10 but that is it. He hasn't proved much. But then again, I cannot predict the future.
I thought you was going to bed? and let me guess your putting C. Bosh over LeBron and Melo, like everyone else in Toronto right?
hmm? What do you mean? Well yeah I would rather have Bosh then Melo but def not Lebron. That would almost be as stupid as Kobe over Michael Jordan lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 9 2006, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding. You would put Kobe over greats like the big o, wilt, bird, magic or KareemAbdul-Jabbar. I would squeeze Kobe into the top 10 but that is it. He hasn't proved much. But then again, I cannot predict the future.</div>Kobe has already broken a ton of Laker records. By the end of his career, he'll more than likely be the greatest Laker in franchise history. Out of the list, Magic and Wilt are the two best players...and if Kobe is the greatest Laker in franchise history, that pretty much puts him up there with MJ as the second best player of all-time.A ton of analysts will argue that Magic was just as good as Jordan. I beg to differ, even though I love the Lakers and Magic. I have no problem admitting that Jordan is the greatest ever, and I'm pretty sure I'll be saying it in 30-40 years...but I'm pretty confident that Kobe will be right behind him as well.
Ok guys, this is getting stupid. Kobe has the tools to be the greatest player of all time but at the moment he's around top 20. By the end of his career i think he'll be top 5.He's only 27. Remember that.Prove to me that you are worthy of being considered "legendary"Kobe is already legendary, there is no proving it. He proved it in January.
But we are not saying he is better than Jordan right now. We are saying he has the skills, and potential to be better than him, and there is a chance that he will pass him..
I am sick of all the MJ and Kobe loving/hating. Jordan was not as selfish as Kobe. Jordan always gave up individual success if it meant winning. His passion to WIN oozed on the court. Kobe's passion to be the best INDIVIDUAL oozes on the court. That is the selfish part, not how many shots they take.As for who is better, MJ was better midrange shooter with the most unstoppable fadeaway in NBA history, while Kobe is a better long range shooter. MJ was better rebounder, passing goes slight advantage to MJ, defense is MJ, and playmaking is equal. Clutch wise, I'd give SLIGHT nod to MJ, although I think Kobe might be better in overall 4th quarter. MJ was a much better leader than Kobe, although that is soemthing Kobe is still developing and unfair to compare.MJ had a certain greatness about him, a greatness that Kobe doesn't have. He was a new breed of player, and without MJ, Kobe wouldn't be the player he is today. MJ influenced a whole new generation to jump out the gym, to be athletic freaks, to hit those jab-step-fadeaway jump shots, and to try and take over games when they count. MJ in his career proved he could LEAD a team to greatness, and if he didn't leave for baseball, it would have been 8 championships instead of 6. MJ proved he could get 37PPG efficiently, and proved he could also get 8APG to go along with that, and lead <Censored> teams to playoffs in a VERY tough era. MJ proved he was the greatest ever, as he was the most unstoppable offensive player not named Wilt, was arguably one of the best defending guards of all time, and his greatness factor (led teams to greatness, made teammates better, clutch, influenced a new generation, etc...) and all of that mixed together, along with his MVP titles and amazing single game performances, just proves to me he is #1. Kobe still hasn't proven he can lead a team to greatness (it wasn't an equal partnership with Shaq, Kobe was Pippen there), he still hasn't proven he can take over a league and win so many things (all star, Finals, and league MVP's, DPOY, countless first teams, etc...), hasn't proven he can be a playmaker and get anywhere (before Pippen became playmaker, Jordan averaged 36/8 and got team to playoffs, while Kobe had his worst season as lakers playmaker), and Kobe is still a question mark in many areas.So in conclusion, MJ is the GOAT, but Kobe does have the time and skills needed to get into top 10 all time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 18 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am sick of all the MJ and Kobe loving/hating. Jordan was not as selfish as Kobe. Jordan always gave up individual success if it meant winning. His passion to WIN oozed on the court. Kobe's passion to be the best INDIVIDUAL oozes on the court. That is the selfish part, not how many shots they take.As for who is better, MJ was better midrange shooter with the most unstoppable fadeaway in NBA history, while Kobe is a better long range shooter. MJ was better rebounder, passing goes slight advantage to MJ, defense is MJ, and playmaking is equal. Clutch wise, I'd give SLIGHT nod to MJ, although I think Kobe might be better in overall 4th quarter. MJ was a much better leader than Kobe, although that is soemthing Kobe is still developing and unfair to compare.MJ had a certain greatness about him, a greatness that Kobe doesn't have. He was a new breed of player, and without MJ, Kobe wouldn't be the player he is today. MJ influenced a whole new generation to jump out the gym, to be athletic freaks, to hit those jab-step-fadeaway jump shots, and to try and take over games when they count. MJ in his career proved he could LEAD a team to greatness, and if he didn't leave for baseball, it would have been 8 championships instead of 6. MJ proved he could get 37PPG efficiently, and proved he could also get 8APG to go along with that, and lead <Censored> teams to playoffs in a VERY tough era. MJ proved he was the greatest ever, as he was the most unstoppable offensive player not named Wilt, was arguably one of the best defending guards of all time, and his greatness factor (led teams to greatness, made teammates better, clutch, influenced a new generation, etc...) and all of that mixed together, along with his MVP titles and amazing single game performances, just proves to me he is #1. Kobe still hasn't proven he can lead a team to greatness (it wasn't an equal partnership with Shaq, Kobe was Pippen there), he still hasn't proven he can take over a league and win so many things (all star, Finals, and league MVP's, DPOY, countless first teams, etc...), hasn't proven he can be a playmaker and get anywhere (before Pippen became playmaker, Jordan averaged 36/8 and got team to playoffs, while Kobe had his worst season as lakers playmaker), and Kobe is still a question mark in many areas.So in conclusion, MJ is the GOAT, but Kobe does have the time and skills needed to get into top 10 all time.</div>Did you have to waste you're time writing that up? I think everyone knows Kobe is better than MJ I agree with everything said just that when kobe averages 35ppg he's selfish, when MJ averages 35 his the GOAT. That's something i don't get.and thisJordan was not as selfish as Kobe. Jordan always gave up individual success if it meant winning. His passion to WIN oozed on the court. Kobe's passion to be the best INDIVIDUAL oozes on the court. That is the selfish part, not how many shots they takeJordan was selfish in the 80's, he was publicly accused of it. Why? Because his team was mediocre.When you're winning people's selfish tendecies tend to disappear into oblivion because team victory is masking it. Shaq is selfish,he threteaned not to rebound or play defense if he didn't recieve the ball every time down the cout. However seeing as how every team his been on is a championshiop contender it is hidden.Basicallly if you win and are on a good team, you're selfishness is hidden. When you win and put up 35ppg everyone considers you god. When you put up 35ppg and lose, you're selfish. You can threaten not to pass the ball [ala MJ] but if you win, people tend to ignore it.And i do realise kobe is more selfish than jordan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 19 2006, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you have to waste you're time writing that up? I think everyone knows Kobe is better than MJ I agree with everything said just that when kobe averages 35ppg he's selfish, when MJ averages 35 his the GOAT. That's something i don't get.and thisJordan was not as selfish as Kobe. Jordan always gave up individual success if it meant winning. His passion to WIN oozed on the court. Kobe's passion to be the best INDIVIDUAL oozes on the court. That is the selfish part, not how many shots they takeJordan was selfish in the 80's, he was publicly accused of it. Why? Because his team was mediocre.When you're winning people's selfish tendecies tend to disappear into oblivion because team victory is masking it. Shaq is selfish,he threteaned not to rebound or play defense if he didn't recieve the ball every time down the cout. However seeing as how every team his been on is a championshiop contender it is hidden.Basicallly if you win and are on a good team, you're selfishness is hidden. When you win and put up 35ppg everyone considers you god. When you put up 35ppg and lose, you're selfish. You can threaten not to pass the ball [ala MJ] but if you win, people tend to ignore it.And i do realise kobe is more selfish than jordan.</div>I consider Kobe more selfish because his play (ignoring teammates and such) just screams out selfish, while MJ never really risked missing an open teammte.And difference between MJ scoring 35PPG and Kobe doing it is MJ also averaged 8APG one year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 20 2006, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I consider Kobe more selfish because his play (ignoring teammates and such) just screams out selfish, while MJ never really risked missing an open teammte.And difference between MJ scoring 35PPG and Kobe doing it is MJ also averaged 8APG one year.</div>Allen iverson averages 7 aspg and is the biggest ball hog. Assit count doesn't mean you're unselfish...
If you guys would pay attention you would know that Kobe doesn't like it when people compare him to Jordan or anybody. He says Jordan taught him alot but he wishes the fans would apperiate the new generation alot better instead of just constantly comparing a player to someone else. I wish people would stop making articles saying the samething
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Apr 9 2006, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="colorurple">Kobe has never won a playoff series without Shaq </span></div>Kobe hasn't even played a playoff series without Shaq.
