Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

I am on the Kobe for MVP bandwagon. The MVP should go to the games best player. Don't give me that crap that it's about who helps their team win most because thats impossible to find out. Who's to know if KG or LBJ helps their team the most and who cares. Kobe is the best player in the game right now, I like Nash but let's get real here. He's not the leagues MOST VALUABLE PLAYER... Kobe has 3 Championships, has done tons of other <Censored> that I don't want to spend 4 hours posting and is averaging 35ppg and keeping a HORRIBLE team over .500 in the Western Conference. I just think it's about time Kobe got his MVP....I love Nash but the more I think of it the more I think it's fishy that he's never played this well until he was 31 years old. When we look back and see that Nash had 2 MVP's while putting up Rod Strickland numbers in his career I think people will think it's a mistake It's about time Kobe got his MVP.

 

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Atleast you aren't talking about him yelling at teammates or some <Censored>.Good post.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

Pretty tough to argue against these:81 points in a game (2nd ALLTIME) and doubled Nash's career high of 39Highest single game points by a Laker (Passing Elgin Baylor)55 point in a half (more than 99.5% of the NBA has EVER scored in a game)Most consecutive freethrows by a Laker62 points in 3 quarters5 - 50+ point games this seasonties Iverson with most 50+ games among active players (10)25 - 40+ point games (Laker record)around 35 ppg, first to do so since Jordan in 1988On the way to a 10+ win increase in W/L from last season4 consecutive 45+ point gamesVoted one of the "60 Greatest Players of ALLTIME"averaging the most PPG in the 4th quarter...of all timeat nearly 2,600 points, the first to do so since Jordan in 1990averaging five assists on a team with no second scoring optionset new career highs for PPG, free throws made and attempted in a game, and steals in a gameLakers are 7th seed in the playoffs after losing both Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for Kwame (together, putting up 27/8/6 vs. Kwame's 7/6/1)

 

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It won't happen 4 Kobe though! It is impressive what he is doing for that <Censored> team. and to still be a playoff team. Nash need Boris Diaw and Marion to get his records. Kobe is selfishly doing it. I think it some good selfishness seeing that most of the other players are not consistent on his team or have a defined role to help the Lakers. Nash still is a candidate, but i need to see what kobe does in the playoffs to decide this.now 4 real good night

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (S_Guard @ Apr 9 2006, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It won't happen 4 Kobe though! It is impressive what he is doing for that <Censored> team. and to still be a playoff team. Nash need Boris Diaw and Marion to get his records. Kobe is selfishly doing it. I think it some good selfishness seeing that most of the other players are not consistent on his team or have a defined role to help the Lakers. Nash still is a candidate, but i need to see what kobe does in the playoffs to decide this.now 4 real good night</div> Make up your mind, is Kobe selfish or trying to keep his team alive?

 

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I think Kobe is 3rd in the voting behind Steve Nash and LeBron James.Although Steve Nash is playing like balls as of late, throughout the season he is playing at a level of PG most have never seen. Add to the fact he is the Suns cog, the Suns main guy, and they are 2nd in the West, and it's tough to argueKobe and LeBron are very close to me. Both have great numbers. Both do anything you want. Both haven't been too great late in games this year (Although LeBron has picked it up) Both don't have great teams. For me, MVP means Most Valuable Player. Steve Nash leading the Suns from low playoff seed, out of the playoffs, to contender is more valuable to me than Kobe leading a 15 win team to the 8th seed.

 

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MVP also has to do with getting your teammates involved and making them better. Kobe doesn't do that. Guys like Lebron and Steve Nash are great at that.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 9 2006, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>MVP also has to do with getting your teammates involved and making them better. Kobe doesn't do that. Guys like Lebron and Steve Nash are great at that.</div> MVP means a lot of things. Kobe is the best player in the game.

 

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here are 5 guys I would pick over Kobe:NashLebronWadeAK 47Dirk5 guys who are at the same level as kobe MVP voting wiseBillupsBrandMarionTony ParkerCarmelomaybe maybe jason kidd, just cuz the nets are doing so wella couple of guys who I would consider if there teams were in PO contentionAK 47Paul PierceJ-Rich.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>here are 5 guys I would pick over Kobe:NashLebronWadeAK 47Dirk</div>Wow man. I understand your a Kings fan and Kobe owned you guys but seriously.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Venom_7 @ Apr 9 2006, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>here are 5 guys I would pick over Kobe:NashLebronWadeAK 47Dirk5 guys who are at the same level as kobe MVP voting wiseBillupsBrandMarionTony ParkerCarmelomaybe maybe jason kidd, just cuz the nets are doing so wella couple of guys who I would consider if there teams were in PO contentionAK 47Paul PierceJ-Rich.</div> My head just exploded...Kirilenko is averaging 15/8/4 a game...please.

 

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Yea I didn't get the AK47 thing. He is averaging worse numbers than Kobe on a worse team. So how does he get more votes than Kobe?

 

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Odom is shooting a career high in FG% (shooting 48% this season, 43% with Wade), Kwame is averaging 12 and 8 in the last 12 games (which is shocking), Smush Parker has started every single game this year and is averaging career numbers in nearly every major category, and Mihm's career high statistics are all with the Lakers as well.Kobe doesn't make his teammates better? Other than the fact that Odom is scoring what...3 points less...that means nothing, since he's initiating the offense and isn't the first option anymore, like he was everywhere else he played.Kobe doesn't make them better? Prove the stats wrong.

 

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the next freaking time someone brings up the81 game in an MVP discussion I'm going to explode..

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

As I posted in the other thread...Let me put them all into one post. That'll work better.Kobe doesn't make his teammates better. True? No.

Kobe is too selfish. True? Not quite.

Kobe's individual statistics aren't that impressive to give him the MVP. Is that so? Not sure about that.

But wait, so many teams are far, far better than Kobe's Lakers. Really?

But Nash makes his players better, every one of them. Does he?

Well...that was fun.

 

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Venom your an idiot. and seriously should not post again!.

 

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Steve nash's so called "transformation" of the suns is sooo overrated. He obviously had some impact on the team but he signed for the team at the right time.I would've thought some dallas fans would know this however they seem not to know.edit: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ts/14291304.htmGuess who agrees with you Bcb?The MVP should be, when I look at it, I think it should be the best player in the league," Billups told the Detroit Free Press, adding that he thinks Bryant is the best.

 

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Steve Nash's affect on a Phoenix Suns game cannot be measured through stats. You have to see a game to believe it. When one watches Steve Nash play, you see how much effect he has on their team. He is the guy they get the ball to in transition. He is the guy that opens up their halfcourt sets. He means everything to that team, and if you don't see or think that, your bias nature is clouding your vision.Kobe Bryant also has equal effect on his team, they simply don't win. Is he better than Steve Nash? Unquestionably. However, the award implies the most "Valuable" player, not the best. Was Charles Barkley the best player when he won it? No. Was Steve Nash the best player last year when he won it? No.So again, I conclude that Steve Nash, being the offensive cog of the Suns, their leader, the guy they get the ball to on every play, leading his team to a contending level, is more valuable than Kobe Bryant, the offensive cog of the Lakers, the guy that gets the ball every play, leading his team to the 8th seed in the playoffs.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

Kobe isn't MVP this season. I can make a case for him being MVP, but just because he's the game's best player doesn't necassarily mean he is the MVP. I'd say nash is MVP, as he has carried an Amare-less Suns team to great record, and all of these nobody's are having career years. LeBron too, 32/7/7 and his record is just as impressive as Kobe's 35PPG and other record he has broken. But, Bron has gotten his <Censored> team into 4th place and probable 50 win season. This year is the toughest MVP race I can remember. It can realistically go about 4 different ways.

 

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I love you Real Deal...I love you...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 9 2006, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve Nash's affect on a Phoenix Suns game cannot be measured through stats. You have to see a game to believe it. When one watches Steve Nash play, you see how much effect he has on their team. He is the guy they get the ball to in transition. He is the guy that opens up their halfcourt sets. He means everything to that team, and if you don't see or think that, your bias nature is clouding your vision.Kobe Bryant also has equal effect on his team, they simply don't win. Is he better than Steve Nash? Unquestionably. However, the award implies the most "Valuable" player, not the best. Was Charles Barkley the best player when he won it? No. Was Steve Nash the best player last year when he won it? No.So again, I conclude that Steve Nash, being the offensive cog of the Suns, their leader, the guy they get the ball to on every play, leading his team to a contending level, is more valuable than Kobe Bryant, the offensive cog of the Lakers, the guy that gets the ball every play, leading his team to the 8th seed in the playoffs.</div> Steve Nash gets the ball every play but he plays a different position...I love Nash but looking back I feel giving him MVP's will be a mistake.