Plan C (When Utah Matches): Marvin Williams?

An interesting blog post from Wendell Maxey from Hoopsworld and a guy who covers the Blazers:
http://www.beyondthebeat.net/20090712312/2009-articles/july/after-utah-matches-millsap.html

Here's Hollinger's scouting report:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2797

Per game stats from last year:
34 minutes per game FG% 46% 3PT 35% , RBS 6.3 PTS 13.9

offensive rating 118
defensive rating 107


advanced stats from 82games.com
http://www.82games.com/0809/08ATL10.HTM

floor time stats by position:
34% small forward:
Own PER: 16
Opp. PER: 16.8
17% power forward:
Own PER: 21.8
Opp. PER: 15.1


I have to admit this kind of came out of left field for me, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if it couldn't end up being a pretty decent and fairly inexpensive solution to the small forward/backup power forward situation. Obviously he'd be a bit of a tweener and at first blush I'm thinking he's maybe a slightly better version of Travis Outlaw and I didn't watch him play a lot this year when he apparently played better than his first 3 years in the league (I watched quite a few Hawks games the two previous years when Childress was still on their team and Williams seemed a lot less impressive) so my opinions of him are largely based on prior, less productive seasons.

Thoughts?

 

Meh ...

 

He doesn't fill a need for us so I see no point in going after Williams.

 

small forward isn't a position of need? hmm, coulda fooled me.

 

Too Outlaw like for me.

 

We already have 3 SF's that are talented. Definitely not a need.

 

I like Marvin a lot actually, but for our second option, we should look at Ramon Sessions without a doubt. Offer him whatever we have and hope it happens. Front load the contract and make it difficult for the Bucks.

 

I also think Sessions, but I would suggest discussing a sign & trade with Milwaukee and assuring them that if no sign & trade happened, I would make an offer to Sessions and it would be very painful financially. That would provide a little incentive for coming to an agreeable sign & trade because they are now assured that retaining him will be as painful as possible. For a team that values saving money, knowing that not only will they not get him cheap but that they'll have to really spend a lot, and a lot up front, should scare them a bit.

 

I'm not too big a fan of Marvin as a $7-8 million guy. I'd rather just go ahead and keep the cap room until the trade deadline.

 

Oh god no! I'd never offer him that kind of money, I was thinking more along the lines of 5-6 million per year for 4 years with an option on the 4th year. 7-8 million is way overpaying.

 

Travis is more of a power forward than a small forward, Martell may or may not be available next season (ever?) so, yeah I'd say we're a little thin at the 3 even if Cunningham makes the team and can play some spot minutes there.

 

You need to pay him 7-8 million if you don't want Atlanta to match.

 

Your PER differentials suggest that Williams may be more of a power forward than a small forward, too. He strikes me as a luxury model of Travis Outlaw.

 

Yeah.. that's what I thought but if we could get him for really cheap, like the 5-6 million I think that'd make a good risk on a young SF who has some really nice skills, kind of like a Luol Deng-type who has good size for a SF but not a good three-point shooter.

 

I've always like Williams game. He's smart heady player who knows where to be on every play. The fact that he guards the other teams best player obviously lowers his defensive stats. To me he's an upgrade over Travis and he can play the 3 or 4 position. Veteran at age 23, be a good addition.

 

I'd rather see us give Lee and Sessions the same offer we just gave Millsap. If those don't work Williams would be on the next tier of options. I'm not sold on Marvin though, just keeping the cap space for the season might be a better alternative.

 

My plan C at this point is to do nothing big for the rest of the summer. I say give Roy and LMA their money that they have earned and go into the season with what we have. After all, we were a 54 win team. We have our money until the trade deadline. lets see how the season begins. After a few months, if it becomes obvious that we need an upgrade then lets pull the trigger in Feb.

I'm just worried that our Plan C could be spend the money because we have it and are being pressured to use it... Again, lock up our stars and be patient.. whats so wrong with that plan?

JMK

 

...except for the fact that Marvin has "some" basketball IQ, as opposed to "NO IQ TO"

 

Make the same Millsap offer to Sessions. Make Milwaukee match. Then do the same with Lee. Either player makes Portland better (though I prefer Sessions).

iWatas

 

I still say we are WAY past plan C. I think we have even gone past a letter grade in school.