Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

The most important stat in basketball is the capital W. I could care a less about who he has on his team, that doesn't matter. The fact is the game of basketball all comes down to who wins in the end. The Lakers are a 7th Seeded team. So who would you rather have on your team. A guy who averages 50 PPG or a guy that leads your team to a Win every game. (hypothetical question)I would think you would pick the guy who leads you to a win other than the 50 PPG guy. Kobe is the best player in the league. Is he the MVP? I don't think so. I don't believe in giving players on a slightly above mediocre team an MVP award. I find the award overrated anyway. Finals MVPs are more glorious IMO. Given to the guy who leads their team to victory in the biggest of games of the entire NBA season.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

If a guy averaged 50 PPG wouldn't your team be crazy good?And the most valuable player doesnt have to be on the most valuable team.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ELiiiTE @ Apr 10 2006, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If a guy averaged 50 PPG wouldn't your team be crazy good?And the most valuable player doesnt have to be on the most valuable team.</div>You need to come up with 40 points from other players if you want to win, and if one guys is scoring 50, where are the shots going to come from for the other players?Its not the most valuable team, its how valuable he is to that team in terms of how succesfull they are. How succesful does this individual player make his team is the question you should ask yourself when thinking of MVP candidates..Im going to say right now I think LeBron will be MVP, he is my pick and Im stickin to it..I think the league wants him to get it and I think his all around stats are more impressive than Kobe's not to mention his teams success..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diesel @ Apr 10 2006, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most important stat in basketball is the capital W. I could care a less about who he has on his team, that doesn't matter. The fact is the game of basketball all comes down to who wins in the end. The Lakers are a 7th Seeded team. So who would you rather have on your team. A guy who averages 50 PPG or a guy that leads your team to a Win every game. (hypothetical question)I would think you would pick the guy who leads you to a win other than the 50 PPG guy. Kobe is the best player in the league. Is he the MVP? I don't think so. I don't believe in giving players on a slightly above mediocre team an MVP award. I find the award overrated anyway. Finals MVPs are more glorious IMO. Given to the guy who leads their team to victory in the biggest of games of the entire NBA season.</div>I completely agree with everything you said here. People are looking at the MVP as the player with the most impressive statline which entirely the wrong process to take..

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

As far as LeBron is concerned, I'll consider him behind Kobe. The reason I don't like LeBron for MVP is because of this fact: Kobe's 2002-2003 season was nearly identical to LeBron's season, and he only had 8 votes for MVP (Garnett received 43 I believe, and Duncan won with 60). Now...I know what you guys are saying. Kobe had Shaq...which is true. The Kobe-led Lakers (that season, they were) were a 50-win team, much like the Cavs, in the West. This was Kobe's season where he dropped 40+ in 9 consecutive games as well. Considering the fact that Kobe's season was just as good as Bron's, is it fair to say that LeBron doesn't win the award, either? Here's the tricky part: Shaq shouldn't factor in, or else Amare and Marion would've played a factor last season for Steve Nash. In fact, Amare was an MVP candidate as well.In that case, we look at individuality. Kobe has it by a landslide...no questions asked. Thing is, his impact as an individual player outweighs his team's impact vs. the Cavs or the Suns.When was the last time a 7th seeded team contained an MVP? It was a while, possibly in the 80's with Moses Malone. Kareem won the award in the mid or late 70's with a 40-42 Lakers team that missed the playoffs. Don't want to break from tradition? That's fine...but Nash did last season...he's the first guard to win the MVP with an average of under 20 PPG (15.5). In fact, the last player (any position) to win the MVP with a scoring average below 20...was Bill Walton, in 1978.It's time to give the award based on the individual. Nobody can touch what Kobe has done...not since the greatest of all time, Michael Jordan, and no matter how you twist it, those records are facts. It may be decades before you see anyone else perform this way, and that alone should be enough to hand over the Most Valuable Player award, not Most Valuable Team (the O'Brien trophy), to Kobe Bryant.

 

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This was a great debate but Steve Nash won it.I guess the voters didn't see the posts you posted Real.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal)</div><div class='quotemain'></div>A few things I dont get.1. Eddie House is having a career year. He has had 4 previous years where he averaged more minutes per game then what he has now. However his ppg now is only 1 ppg away from his career high.That tells you his minutes are down and hes still scoring the same amount as he did when he was getting 5 more minutes per game with Charlotte.2. You brought up that all of Kurt Thomas's stats are down and he only gets 10 less minutes per game while in Phoenix. Of course that is going to be the case.You said James Jones is averaging 5 more points because he is getting 7 more PPG. But Kurt Thomas is only averaging 3 less points while getting 10 less minutes per game.

 

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The whole point is that Nash isn't making his teammates significantly better. Jordan made BJ Armstrong into an All-Star...that's like Chucky Atkins playing the ASG.If you make your players better, make them much better. Otherwise, you really aren't proving anything.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Apr 26 2006, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The whole point is that Nash isn't making his teammates significantly better. Jordan made BJ Armstrong into an All-Star...that's like Chucky Atkins playing the ASG.If you make your players better, make them much better. Otherwise, you really aren't proving anything.</div>BJ Armstrong made the all star team?

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

Guards on the Suns will always score a lot because they get a lot of shots in that offense.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Apr 11 2006, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as LeBron is concerned, I'll consider him behind Kobe. The reason I don't like LeBron for MVP is because of this fact: Kobe's 2002-2003 season was nearly identical to LeBron's season, and he only had 8 votes for MVP (Garnett received 43 I believe, and Duncan won with 60). Now...I know what you guys are saying. Kobe had Shaq...which is true. The Kobe-led Lakers (that season, they were) were a 50-win team, much like the Cavs, in the West. This was Kobe's season where he dropped 40+ in 9 consecutive games as well. Considering the fact that Kobe's season was just as good as Bron's, is it fair to say that LeBron doesn't win the award, either? Here's the tricky part: Shaq shouldn't factor in, or else Amare and Marion would've played a factor last season for Steve Nash. In fact, Amare was an MVP candidate as well.</div>Kobe 2002-2003: 30PPG, 6.9RPG, 5.9APG, 45% FG %, lots of huge role players, a pretty healthyShaq for 67 games, only 50 wins. Main historic accomplishment: 40 points in 9 straight gamesLeBron 2005-2006: 31.4PPG, 7PG, 6.6APG, 48% FG %, led mediocre team with 2nd best player sideline for half of season, 50 wins on dot. Main historic accomplishments: Youngest player to 4,000, 5,000, and 6,000 points, 35 in 9 straight games, All Star Game MVP.LeBron this season deserves MVP much more than Kobe 2002-2003. If you give Kobe such a nod for MVP that year, than T-Mac should ahve been sucha huge poll tallyer also (32PPG, led very crappy team to above averageness). Nash doesn't deserve MVP. Just because he won it last year when his team was better doesn't mean anything. His team was better than Bron's, and Bron won 3 less games. Bron's numbers were far better. Kobe led a total crap team to 7th seed, amazing year, historic in all aspects.

 

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Thank god we have smart people here who are against Nash. The clowns on RealGM are embarssing.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

I think Nash is overatted. I think he is a good player, but not a 2 time MVP.

 

Re: Does Kobe deserve MVP because it's about damn time he gets one?

I to do think kobe should get his due... And if the lakers can keep up this play all season you will see kobe get MVP.EDIT: I realllly thought lebron should of got MVP last season .. I mean 30ppg 7apg 7rpg is pretty crazy stat line.... But I dont see nash getting it this season.. But his stats did get better 20ppg 11apg