Suppose Blake went down (MERGED)

I never said Bayless would become a "pure" PG. And I realize there's a pretty good chance he doesn't become what the *fanbase* wants him to be. I just think that people judging a player based on three summer league games is absolutely ridiculous. At least we know why Pritchard and co are the ones evaluating talent and not the general fanbase.

 

Props for stepping up and admitting you were one of a large group of people who have become increasing quite about Bayless.

Hindsight being 20/20, do you agree that Nate did the right thing by sticking with Blake?

 

The Blazers will bring in a third-string veteran PG to training camp. No way we go into camp with Jeter (if he's even invited) as the lone hopeful. I'm not too worried about Jerryd either.. at least at this point in time. If the coaching staff told him to just go out and score 30 and be the SL MVP from last year, he could probably do it. But there'll be some rough times to him adjusting to being a better PG/SG combo guard.

 

The Blazers are not a lottery team if Blake goes down. Bayless isn't prepared to lead a team to glory, but he wouldn't be asked to. Roy would continue to be the facilitator of the offense and Bayless would get Blake's job: bring the ball up, pass to Roy, spot up somewhere. And defend your man. I don't believe Bayless would be substantially worse than Blake on defense and, on offense, his effectiveness in reprising the "Blake role" would depend on whether his shot has returned.

Blake's role is fairly minimal. Bayless would be given that same minimal role and, even if he were a bit worse at it, it wouldn't be a death blow.

 

I actually hope Blake goes down for a while so Bayless can start. If I was Nate I would give Bayless 25 minutes a game, at least.

 

I already said I'm not judging him off three summer league games, and clearly the fanbase has nothing to do with it. The Blazers coaching staff wants him to a a PG. He isn't a PG. What does that have to do with the fanbase? And yes, I get that he's technically only been asked to play a PG role over the course of the last three summer league games. Doesn't change the fact that he isn't a pure PG. He just isn't. It's obvious. But I reiterate - that doesn't mean he can't be affective or good.

 

Obvious to who, and based on what? His per 36 is right in line with Steve in most categories, higher in some, lower in others, but most people felt Blake was a point guard.

Arm chair scouts who KNOW what potential players have, without ever doing anything but watching their 2 to 3 minutes of junk time a game make me laugh. Your opinion based on a few biased minutes of play time unfortunately does not stand as proof of reality.

 

Re: Suppose Blake went down

He isn't.

If Blake went down, Portland could get some scrub old free agent point guard who could easily replace what Blake brings to the table.

Or play a Rudy/Roy back court.

Blake is pretty unimportant to the team, as evidenced last year when he went down and the team didn't miss a beat.

 

People who are actually watching him play. Based on watching him play.

And most people felt he was an average-to-less-than-average one.

So minutes are biased now?

I would be willing to bet you a lot of money that Bayless's performance in Summer League has got the Blazers' brass very agitated.

You know what makes me laugh? People who persist in thinking that you can learn to be a PG after you get into the NBA. I laugh at the idea that the Sixers are considering starting Louis Williams, or that Monta Ellis could ever be a PG.

 

Yes indeed

Bias: A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.

taking garbage minutes and using that as proof of potential is not logical.

I never said that he would become an NBA point guard, just as I never said that we needed one. But thanks for jumping in.

FWIW, find me a post anywhere where I stated Blake as good, or that I would prefer Bayless over him... I'll buy you a beer at a game if you can.

I wouldn't take your bet, I agree

 

That's an idiotic thing to say. I'm a fucking season ticket holder. I don't miss a game. Ever. Road or home. I like Bayless, I just don't trust him to run the team in NATE'S offense. Nate doesn't even trust him. What makes you so much fucking smarter than Nate?

 

I'm glad I form all of my opinions based off of one year of limited playing time and 3 summer league games.

 

I guess your season tickets make you more qualified to pass judgement than my season tickets do, as does your colorful language. I think you need to take a valium and work on reading comprehension for a bit... you supported my statement with your own post.

 

Re: Suppose Blake went down

Watch much basketball?

 

No, didn't say that. You accused me of not watching but 2 or 3 minutes of junk time. You were wrong.

And for good measure: FUCK. Colorful, no?

 

this is a completely BOGUS argument. If you are watching the games, Pooh is playing with the exact same cast of players - but at least he can somewhat run the team.

Why is it that when ever Pooh is playing PG, the team appears to play better? Answer - Because Bayless is NOT a PG. He is a SG in the mold of Ben Gordon.

 

I'm pretty sure the "their" in "watching their 2 to 3 minutes of junk time a game make me laugh" referred to the player. In other words, he's saying you're judging Bayless' potential on the junk time minutes Bayless got, not that you only watched junk time minutes.

 

Because point guard is the only position Jeter has played, whereas Bayless has been asked to play the lead guard role both in Arizona and his first season in Portland, such as it was.

Bayless is rebuilding his game. It might take more than three games.