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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    No it didn't. As we previously discussed in another thread, this was not a suppression of science, this was ignoring an unsolicited "report" on climate change written by an economist. Big difference.

    Most likely. Same as the guy who wrote the EPA "report".

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    Lol. Damned economists anyway. Social scientists trying to play the role of hard scientists is never a good thing.
     
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    Those people were setting fires, spiking trees, chaining themselves to fences to stop bulldozers, and otherwise "protesting" long before Bush.

    The president, no matter who it is, tends to be a lightning rod for the haters in the other party. If you don't like "haters" then maybe "overly partisan" is the better term.
     
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    A lot are. I've posted a few times quotes from top scientists in the 1970s and beyond saying they had to lie for the effect.

    The thing is, I know as much as Einstein ever knew. I learned it all in freshman chemistry and physics.

    I didn't have to go to school to read a couple of textbooks on what Einstein was all about, either.

    There's an awful lot of people who don't have college degrees that are experts in science, medicine, the law (hell, you've heard about inmates who study the law books and petition the SCOTUS and get heard, right?)

    LOL

    That Barfosky fellow is in the news bigtime.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5heUXausbmwbNjC7_DaF4ZnJ3dYhgD99IALO80

    Govt.'s Wall Street, bank support could be $24T
    By JIM KUHNHENN (AP) – 2 days ago

    WASHINGTON — The watchdog overseeing the federal government financial bailout says the government's maximum exposure to financial institutions since 2007 could total nearly $24 trillion, or about $80,000 for every American.

    The whopping amount compiled by the inspector general for the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program takes into account about 50 initiatives and programs set up by the Bush and Obama administrations as well as by the Federal Reserve.

    Many of the programs are backed by collateral and the $23.7 trillion represents the gross, not net, exposure that the government could face. No one has suggested that the full amount, in fact, will be used.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The government's main watchdog over the federal financial bailout says the Treasury Department has repeatedly failed to adopt recommendations aimed at making the $700 billion program more accountable and transparent.

    Neil Barfosky , the inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, says in a report to Congress that Treasury's inaction means taxpayers have not been told what the financial institutions that have received assistance are doing with the money.

    Barfosky's conclusion is contained in testimony he is prepared to give Tuesday to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
     
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    The thing is, the fact that you think you learned everything that Einstein ever knew in freshman chem and physics just shows how much you don't know about the subject. Einstein knew a lot of stuff that no undergraduate class will ever touch.

    There are an awful lot more people, by probably a factor of 100,000:1, that think they are experts but actually aren't.

    I'm suing him for identity theft, as soon as I study some law books.

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    Einstein was far from perfect. His cosmological constant was something he claimed to be his biggest mistake. Yet he was quite right, just didn't realize it was dark matter/dark energy he needed to describe (but predicted).

    You're right for once. He probably knew a lot of things about his wife I'll never know.

    Prove it. I think we need a graph. Or are you the 1 in 100,000:1 who's the expert on who's an expert?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright

    Meanwhile, maybe you can tell me what public school and law school that Jefferson and Lincoln went to.
     
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    Hey, I'm not claiming he's perfect. Just that he was more knowledgeable than freshman chem/physics students.

    That, and physics.

    I submit as evidence:

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    They went to Jefferson and Lincoln High Schools, obviously. Right here in Portland Oregon.

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    I know more than he did, this is just plain silly.

    I know that the laws of physics are not universal, he didn't know that.

    Why? Because Steven Hawking wasn't around when he was.
     
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    You are no doubt right that you know some things he didn't, but you also know much less about physics than he did.
    You are also right that this is silly.

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    Incorrect.

    But you can hear in his voice that Dr. Carlin, who got his undergraduate degree in physics from CalTech and his PhD in economics from MIT, is not easily silenced.

    A regular crackpot. I'm sure "barfo" and "mobes23" know more than a 38 year veteran of the EPA. :crazy:

    Demonize the opponent. Straight from the playbook. Nice job, fellas.

    Mobes/barfo? Did you go to CalTech or MIT? Have you worked for the EPA for 38 years?
     
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    Thread check to make sure I'm clear here.

    A C student from Harvard who failed out of divinity school is the mouthpiece for the anthropogenic global warming movement. He declares "the debate is over" and wins an Academy Award plus a Nobel Peace Prize for doing so.

    A Physics grad from CalTech with a Ph. D in Economics and 38 years as an EPA analyst is a crackpot for writing an "unsolicited" 98-page report that offers new data that refutes the notion that "the debate is over".

    God Bless America. :biglaugh:
     
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    Change!
     
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    What, exactly, was incorrect in what I wrote?

    I can? I don't hear anything. Do I need to turn the sound up?

    I'm not writing any unsolicited reports on climate change. I know I'm not an expert.
    I also know you aren't an expert, and I know he's not an expert.

    Well, I haven't ever worked for the EPA, so you got me there. And I understand, given how you revere long-term government bureaucrats, that Carlin would be a hero to you. But he's an economist. A bachelor's degree in physics, even it is from Caltech, doesn't make you an expert in this subject. If pointing that out is demonizing him, then I'm hereby demonizing all of us.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ted Kaczynski was a math professor at Berkeley. Guess he wasn't a crackpot after all.

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    You argue he's an expert.
    :dunno:
     
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    I do? I'd argue he's an expert in math, but when he tries to address another subject (sociology), he's a crackpot.

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    So the EPA employs people like "crackpot" Carlin, who has an undergrad degree from Cal Tech and a Ph. D from MIT, for 38 years? What does that say about the credibility of the EPA?

    You're not making much sense hear. Smear the man if you must, since you are obviously doing so, but you don't smear the agency employing for almost 4 decades?

    You aren't making any sense. I suggest attacking my grammar/spelling, since destroying the opponent, and not the message, seems to be what you are all about. I gave you a freebie.
     
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    Probably nothing very much. I don't think less of Berkeley for hiring Kaczynski. I'm sure he did math well enough, and I expect Carlin does his job well enough. His job just doesn't happen to be "scientist".

    How is (accurately) calling him an economist a smear? I don't have any undue lack of respect for economists.

    I thought the US vs Global thing was a big enough gift, thanks.

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    I do. I mean (I do!) really. Though I read your words to mean "I have due lack of respect for economists."

    The truth be known, they're right up there with astrologers.

    There's another breed of economist I do respect - the ones who are philosophers.

    Adam Smith, JS Mill, Robert Nozick, and even Marx.
     
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    I wrote it first without the word "undue", and then I thought that adding "undue" would be funny.

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