Bayless a goner?

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  1. Cake

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    We could have offered 9 million per year and Milwaukee WOULD NOT HAVE FUCKING MATCHED DUDE!!!

    (See...everyone can make blanket statements that can't be backed up by any proof. But my blanket statement is probably more accurate than yours.)

    Sessions was an option, it just matters what we'd have given up for him.
     
  2. Idog1976

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    I like it and suggested that in another thread. Of course I suggested trading our lord and savior Joel as well to Minnie...(for Love)
     
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    A deal Minnesota wouldn't consider. Love may not be a perfect match with Jefferson, but they're not going to trade one of their best young players for a 30 year old center with a year left on his deal.
     
  4. OddEnormous

    OddEnormous I'M FLYING!! I'M FLYING!!

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    Only the last bit were to Jesus.

    The first part was obviously aimed towards you.
     
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    This will clearly impact the minutes Bayless gets next season, but I don't think in and of itself this signing means Bayless is done in PDX. It means he'll have to fight more for his minutes, but he's a scrapper and I think he'll make it happen.

    Obviously, it's possible KP takes a look at the PG depth and decides to trade some of it for a position where we're shallow (obviously PF). But I think he'll want to keep a blend of youth/veteran at the PG slot and the PF would need to be pretty danged solid for him to trade Bayless.
     
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    I hear ya. I've been troubled by the team's attempt to play him more at the point this summer. Last summer, he excelled as a scoring guard then struggled mightily all season as a backup point. Then he has a mediocre second summer trying to play more as a pure point. Gee, is there a trend?

    Many here have said exactly what I believe ... Bayless is a perfect combo guard off the bench. With two primary ball handlers in Roy and possibly Andre Miller, there should be plenty of combinations to play with. I love Rudy, but I don't believe he'll be in the long term plans, so I would rather play him slightly out of position as a 2/3 and give Bayless some of his minutes at SG.

    As for why not to get rid of Bayless ... ask yourself, would you be scared to face him as an opponent? I don't want to see him driving the lane on our big guys, getting them into foul trouble. He's exactly the sort of bulldog player that is dreaded defensively. Just wait until he gets the hang of dumping it off in traffic...
     
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    ...bye bye J.Bay-Bay :dunno:
     
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    This. TRADE BLAKE!!!!
     
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    LameR Ha Seung-Jin Approved!

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    If Andre Miller is our PG, wouldn't we still want to get a young PG to take over in 2-3 years? Not necessarily 20 years young, but I'd say under 26.
     
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    The sudden perception that Bayless can't play defense is incorrect. I am listening to Dwight Jaymes and he is putting too much stock in the summer league. Defense is about effort, experience, and athletic ability. IMO Bayless was focusing on running the offense and did not put forth the effort on the defensive end in Vegas. He didn't care because he didn't think he had to. Was this un wise? Maybe. But who gives a fuck. Anyone who has watched him play knows he can play D.

    Dwight obviously is not watching too many games. Yes he got in foul trouble last year, but there were a lot of bullshit rookie calls.The dude can D up.
     
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    Bayless will stay. This move makes it even more apparent to me.
     
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    No, Miller is 33. This doesn't mean we're automatically going to be giving up on Bayless. We won't trade him unless we get a good deal, like Butler. It will just take more time for Bayless to develop. And who knows what will happen with injuries.
     
  13. SodaPopinski

    SodaPopinski Tigers love pepper

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    Disagree with this wholeheartedly. I think most people confuse defensive effort with defensive prowess. Bayless has the former in spades. It's the latter he's lacking in.
     
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    The definiton of Prowess:

    exceptional valor, bravery, or ability, esp. in combat or battle.
    2. exceptional or superior ability, skill, or strength:


    I got to disagree with you on this one.
     
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    I think that defense is primarily effort... some players can be effective without so much effort, and some players are going to spin their wheels and suck, but I think that for the majority of the NBA, defense is a function of effort and experience.

    Bayless gives the effort and he will get more experience. Other than his short arms, he has good physical tools to defend well (big, strong) and I think that even if he's not that good right now, he will be in relatively short order, assuming he keeps putting in the effort.

    Ed O.
     
  16. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Mills baby! :ghoti::ghoti::ghoti::ghoti:

    :wink:
     
  17. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That's an odd bit of reasoning right there.
     
  18. Idog1976

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    I gotta ask are you mocking me with this?
     
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    I think he means we brought in a vet with a couple of years in the tank which makes a young PG to take over the reins more important. I don't agree that one could conclude that Bayless IS that PG though.
     
  20. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Bayless doesn't have that much time to sit on the deep bench on his rookie scale deal. He basically needs to get moved to a team with available minutes so he gets enough floor time to either prove he's a player in the league or not.
     

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