We've Figured Him Out

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    ~ By Ben Stein:

    http://spectator.org/
     
  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Stein has it right. I remember when he was my State Senator; he was much more open about his belief system.
     
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    hasoos Well-Known Member

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    Oh so the stimulus bill, which was enacted about 6 months ago, is supposed to undo all of the economic damage done during the previous decade in less than 6 months? I know people are impatient but this is ridiculous. Not just ridiculous. Fucking ridiculous.

    Health care is a very wide ranging issue, and when somebody wants to do something about it, even though no legislation has been enacted yet, they are wrong. That's pretty amazing from a rich guy who has health care and probably never has to worry about it. He probably has never had to watch a relative die and send his or her family into bankruptcy while being treated until the end. He has never had to deal with a hospital being stiffed for bills by people who cannot afford to pay. That is why his "wisdom" is hollow. The health care system is broke. If you don't like the solution being offered, offer your own alternative. Othewise you are just a bitcher who is pissed because they will be taxed more under the current legislation being offered.

    Pay attention to history. During my lifetime India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel have all got nuclear weapons, while many different sitting presidents put pressure on them, but in the end did nothing. Republican and Democrats alike. This administration has not put an open ended deal on the table. They have given Iran until September to engage. If they don't engage by then, actions will be taken, and the proper way to take action is with Diplomacy first and a Fist later. When George Bush went into Kuwait and Iraq the first time he did it right by building a coalition and trying all other options first. If you just strike blindly, other nations will not support you. You do not show the wisdom needed to get their support. Violence should always be last. Secretary of State Clintons remarks were part of a very broad interview, and he took only a piece of the lines said in order to make it look like that is what she meant. In the interview, she was actually asked about options and she said you have to consider all the possibilities, including the worst possible scenario. That is when she responded about that the US would cover allies with a protection umbrella, which he appropriately twisted to were allowing Iran to have nukes.

    Lastly, on the Obama and the cop deal. No where did Obama mention racism in his words. He said the arrest was stupid. Not the arrest of the Black Harvard Professor by the white police officer was stupid. Who brought up race? The media, because it stirs the pot, and stirring the pot sells media.
     
  4. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Obama mentioned race specifically in his comments. Very specifically. I felt his comments were deeply preudicial considering they came from a US President.
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    No. It was clear from the time it was passed that it wasn't a "stimulus" package. It was a democrat spending package. It was also clear that it would not undo the "economic damage". A correction was imminent.

    It has nothing to do with impatience. There is no expectation that this "stimulus" will help the economic situation. It was rushed through the house and senate, and 6 months later, almost none of it has been spent. It should be obvious to anybody paying attention that the wool was pulled over most Americans' eyes with the passing of the "stimulus" package. We, as taxpayers, should be demanding our money back.
     
  6. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_en_tv/us_tv_beck_obama

    Ouch.

     
  7. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Let me say this- in no way, shape or form do I think Obama is racist. I think he grossly over reacted to something that was a minimal incident and I think he should make amends.

    I also think Obama, as a black President, has made it a point (un until this incident) to defuse any race tensions that may exist as evidenced by some of his speeces and interviews. I'm not going to let this one single incident make me think he's some sort of racist. All of us make remarks we shouldn't and if we were held to them...
     
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    crowTrobot die comcast

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    stein shot his credibililty wad with expelled. he proved he's just another talking head ass-clown with an agenda.
     
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    universal health care blows.
     
  10. crandc

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    The day Ben Stein figures out anything will be the day 2 + 2 = 3

    Socialism? Yeah, right, like Japan? Austria? Germany? Lichtenstein? Every industrialized country in the entire world, and many developing countries, has national health except the US, which has the most expensive healthcare in the world and is mediocre at best in every health index.

    Ironically, the health plan explicitly rejects single payer health care like they have in all those "socalist" countries in favor of very capitalist insurance. Maybe there will be a public insurance option. Maybe.

    The not so funny thing is that Obama's actual policies have been not even truly liberal, let alone socialist. Actual policies as opposed to the insane ravings of Stein, Limbaugh and Beck. Real liberals, as opposed to the imaginary demons, are getting pretty po'd at this president.

    BTW, Obama is actually a Nazi. And he's a Muslim. And he's not really president because he was born on Mars. Or somewhere.

    And white men are the sad victims of racism carried out by black men and Latinas. I mean, they only had 106 of 110 Supreme Court justices and 43 of 44 presidents. How oppressed can you get?
     
  11. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    Says someone who has obviously never lived in a country with it.

    So, using Republican logic, you are therefore in favor of the current system of health-care insanity in this country? No changes? You are a traitor if you think otherwise!
     
  12. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Well, he happens to be right on this measure. President Obama is now trying to enact policy prescriptions that would thrill the folks who voted for him to be their State Senator. Of course, that's not how he ran, but we now know he's nothing new. So much for being different.

    It's interesting that you selected four countries that embraced Fascist policies. But from trying to exert control over the Nation's financial industry by not allowing them to repay TARP funds, to what they've done with the US automotive industry, to what they'd like to do with our industrial processes and finally to trying to take over 17%of this country's economy through socialized healthcare, and you're seeing a massive expansion in the role of the Federal Government. However, it's my guess that you're more comfortable with the losing your freedom to ensure equality of outcome than am I.

    And it's clear that you've never lived in a country with socialized health care. I find it odd that with the wonderful treatment everyone is getting in those countries, that the vast majority of the wealthy in those countries would possess supplemental insurance that sends them to the US when they have serious health issues. Also, I'm sure you don't find it all disconcerting that the very people voting on this legislation have exempted themselves from this treatment. But, as we know from your self-proclaimed "red diaper baby" label, you're okay with all animals being equal, but some are more equal than others.

    Wow, and here I thought you were smart enough to see the salami tactic. It's being done in steps. Step One: create a public option. Step Two: Allow it to run at a massive loss which drives out private competition and creates a monopoly. Step Three: Voila, a de-facto single-payer system is created.

    His policies have actually been more National Socialist than Socialist.

    What difference does race, sex, religion or creed make? All people are created equal. It seems the ones who really focus on those items is the Left. Personally, I care about results. Give me a meritocracy any day of the week.
     
  13. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I agree with that poster, and I've lived in several countries with socialized health care.

    I'm in favor of health insurance being deregulated and to be used more like auto or home insurance. Take out the packaged requirements state boards require. Get employers out of the health care business so when you lose your job, you don't lose your coverage or have to reapply and have a previously covered condition denied because it's pre-existing. Allow your own personal health insurance account to be tax deductable. Give people the option to have catastrophic coverage, where you pay out of pocket for checkups, etc. and have coverage for big stuff.

    When people pay for their own care, you get the cost controls of the market. It allows physicians, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to continue to innovate and make a profit. Everybody wins.
     
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    Shooter Unanimously Great

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    Here's the actual link to Stein's article, which is kind of hard to find on the site:

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/07/24/weve-figured-him-out

    Stein is absolutely right. Obama's poll numbers are dropping like a rock, because Americans are finally waking up to who he really is--which is an extreme leftist. I thought that was clear during the election, but apparently a lot of people couldn't see it.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I don't think it was so much people didn't see it, but rather they didn't want to believe it. My thought is that most people wanted to believe his words above his deeds. I furthermore think it had to do with the idea that voting for Obama represented a repudiation of this country's past. People in this country are much less bigoted than we're made out to be. They believed him to be different, and he's just like all the rest, except much more to the left.
     
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    Yes. I completely agree.
     
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    As with everything else, the extreme racist minority makes the most negative storylines so that is what is sold to the public and is perceived to be the truth. Of course that only applies to white racists as we so rarely speak about minorities who are racists towards white people and also perpetuate racism.

    Because racist whites are all that matters as minorities who are racist get a free pass because of history.
     
  18. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    what's the saying they use on the main board all the time . . . that's right:

    The sky is falling . . . the sky is falling . . . the sky is falling

    :NOTMARIS: :NOTMARIS: :NOTMARIS:
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any "chicken littles" here. We are just seeing people finally realize that Obama isn't going to be the savior they made him to be in their minds.
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Sure saying Obama isn't the savior isn't being chicken little. Saying our president is a racist, hates white people and that our freedom will be lost with him as president says chicken little all over it.
     

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