Have we signed Dante or Jeff yet?

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  1. The_Lillard_King

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    We can get all into what their biggest need is (you're wrong it is not PG position) but the fact is Miller was not the Blazers top choice. They mishandled Hedo (try to wine and dine him small town style when clearly money talked) They try to bully Utah by publically talking about a toxic offer), they use their beloved cap sapce on a 33 year old player that is a plug in at the most 3 years and they haven't signed their franchise player when so many other teams would have that done by now.

    No I'm not in the Blazer management's office or invovled in negotiations, and I suppose their could be some legit reason the Blazers are toying with Roy . . . but this is not in the norm for signing franchise players.

    I don't just default because I'm not part of the negotiations. I listen to what both sides have to say, I look around the league on how these matters are handled outside the Blazer organization and then give it my best guess. And my best guess now is the Blazers are screwing with Roy.

    If you are of the mind set that because we aren't privy to the negotiations that you will assume no one is in the wrong and this delay is just normal part of negotiations. . . well I won't be changing your mind because I am not part of the negotation process.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    If you believe money talked, then you believe the Blazers handled it right by offering the max they could. The Raptors simply could offer more.

    How is offering a creatively worked contract to give them the best chance of getting their target "mishandling" it?

    A 33 year old player who had an excellent season last year and is one of the better point guards in the league. Again, what about this was bungled?

    Agreed. If you don't know anything about it, you won't change my mind. I couldn't have said it better myself! ;)
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Why sign either until right before camp? If they get injured between now and camp, why pay them for a season?
     
  5. The_Lillard_King

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    That is the whole thing Minstrel . .. I do know something about it. As I said in the other post, I listen to what managment people say , what Roy says, what his agent says and whoever else talks about it. I look at what other teams do in a simialr situation and I make an opinion.

    You suggest that if you are not "there in the negotiation" you don't know anything about the situation. I disagree.

    But if there is one thing I have learned from posting with you on the same board for years, no matter what the issue . . . I won't change your mind.

    :cheers:
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Yes, I don't count reading the PR disseminated by each side as "knowledge." If you think you're getting a keen insight into what's happening from what Pritchard, Roy and Roy's agent tell reporters, that's fine.

    I don't think you have any knowledge and I don't think I do, either. And we're essentially reading the same things, unless you have sources beyond the Portland and national press. That doesn't mean everything is fine, but with no knowledge of the situation I'm not willing to blame one side or the other.

    To be frank, that's because you never actually provide any reasoning or new information, in my opinion. You generally provide your own emotional reactions dressed up as evidence and then play passive-aggressive that I'm not crediting it as real reasoning.

    Other people on this forum have changed my mind on things. It's not that I refuse to ever change my mind, it's just that I don't find the way you argue compelling. From what I can tell, you don't find the way I argue compelling either. That's fine. :cheers:
     
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    Man you can be so arrogant at times. I don't care if you don't think I provide any reasoning or new information. But then to say I'm trying to dress up my emotional reactions as evidence is such a stupid jerkish thing to say.

    I've got into it with you once. Since then I've never really cared to try to pursuade you or care what you think of my opinion. So why the hell would I try to dress things up as evidence. I say what I think. I'm not dressing it up as evidence . . . what ever the hell that means.

    And the whole passive aggressive thing . . . whatever . . . I see you use that with other posters too. Label me as you want.

    I'm out
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Actually, I was simply responding honestly to your implication that I refuse to ever change my mind. I thought that was an unreasonable and "jerkish" thing to insinuate. So don't bother with the victim act.

    Had you simply responded to the points without trying to suggest anything about me, personally, none of this would have come up. I responded honestly and directly to what you said, it wasn't intended to be malicious even though I understand why it bothers you.

    Also, I don't know when "we got into it" before. I know your past alias and I certainly don't have any lingering issues with you. I was just telling you why you don't tend to change my mind on issues.
     
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    Oooo, someone is playing the "passive-aggressive" card again, yet not on me this time, and not as an alternative. Did we learn something new in class this summer?

    Meanwhile, you are seemingly starting to personify "angry". Not a good personification for a producer, eh?
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    More than one person can be passive-aggressive. I'm sorry if you thought you had the monopoly on it. ;) It's not uncommon on the internet. You're not as unique as you imagine.

    Why not? We have to have a bad cop for the :good cop, bad cop" routine. My clear rage issues will make you confess to the safe Ed O out of fear.
     
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    ......so have we signed Pendergraph or Cunningham yet? :drumroll:
     
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    Keep in mind that signing Pendergraph and Cunningham now eats up cap space. Right now, Portland has 1.1 in cap money. It's not a lot, but it's 1.1. The Blazers could easily be waiting to see if a deal falls in their lap where they need a little extra room. There is no hurry whatsoever in signing either of them. If and when they do use their remaining cap space then they can sign both of them because they will be minimum deals.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Are you sure that's true? My understanding was that since the Blazers are carrying empty roster spots, minimum salary roster holds for each empty spot is already on their cap. Signing Pendergraph and Cunningham to minimum deals or so would simply replace those roster holds.

    I'm no CBA expert, but I think that's how it works.
     
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    That is correct. I believe we have one automatic cap hold since we signed Miller. If I remember correctly it's about $900,000.

    MM is correct in there being no hurry to sign them though.
     

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