This might seem like kind of a weird topic, but I thought it might be interesting:What would you value more on your team, a perimeter player who can post up his defender and score downlow, or a big man who can shoot from long range..
hmmm....i like this....i guess that i have never really thought about it.....but i would have to say a perimerter player who can play downlow because the reason they would be playing downlow is because they would have the obvious height and strength advantage...
it depends? can the post player play inside too? if he can, then i'll take the post in a second. If you have a guard that can post up, it's valuable, and it make HIM a better player, but it makes the team better if their big man is an outside threat. first off, they have a big man that can score from anywhere. secondly, it opens up the lane for the penetrators as the shotblockers are drawn away form the basket.good topic.
I like both options, the low post player allows you to stretch the defense, and the perimiter player with post moves creates open looks for teammattes when the defense collapses. I find it interesting because its kind of a role reversal in that the post players are taking the outside shots and the smaller players are posting up, and at the same time the outside shooting stretches the defense while the post ups draw the defense in, creating open looks. I think if I had to chose one I would say the big guy who can shoot because of those situations when you play shot blockers who clog the middle. If you have a guy who can shoot, it forces the defensive presence to respect the shot and makes it harder for that player to help defensively, creating lanes to cut to the basket for perimiter players which in turn lead to easy buckets, fouls, or open looks for other teamattes..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 11 2006, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it depends? can the post player play inside too? if he can, then i'll take the post in a second. If you have a guard that can post up, it's valuable, and it make HIM a better player, but it makes the team better if their big man is an outside threat. first off, they have a big man that can score from anywhere. secondly, it opens up the lane for the penetrators as the shotblockers are drawn away form the basket.good topic.</div>It doesnt necesarilly just benefit the player (the guard who can post up), because it draws the defense in as well and creates open looks for teamattes on the perimiter. Like I said I think both are benneficial, but I agree with your point that the big man with post moves combined with that outside shot is a dangerous weapon to deal with..
A big man who can shoot from long rangeThese types of centers cause major mathcup problems for other centers in the league. Nenad Kristic is a good example.Because he is a jump shooting center Shaq cannot guard him. It must feel good that one of the best players in history cant play defense on you.
When i first read this, i thought to myself i'd take a big man with a shot over a peremiter player with a nice low post game, but then i thought about it for a minute and decided i'd take the permiter player with a post game. If you think about it, you cant name many post players that have had a lot of success. Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson both had nice post up games and they both won many championships. i cant name post player that has lead his team to a championship while relying on a jump shot only. so i'd take the perimter player with the post game.
The thing about Krstic, too is, like dogma said, he has a post game to go with it which makes him very dangerous and tough to guard. Players like that are tough to come by..
I'd take the Big Man who can shoot outside, with the understanding that he CAN play the post too. A guy that can stretcht the defense, and is a matchup problem like that (ala Dirk and KG) is more valuable than a guard who can post up, while that's a good player to have too.But seriously, how many big guys can shoot the ball with range, but can't play in the post at all? Guys like Radmonovic, Peja, and a few others can shoot, but I wouldn't want them on the block at all.So basically it comes down to this.If the big man can play BOTH in the post and shoot, that's way more valuable than a guard that can post up.But if the big man can't play in the post than of course the guard that can post up is better for you.
I would take the big man that can step outside, thus making his defender come out and guard him, which could make the offensive player have an obvious advantage.The perfect examples are Dirk, KG, and Rasheed Wallace.
Rasheed does have a decent outside shot, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Dirk and KG...as far as versatility inside and out.But he is a good example of that type of player.
Yeah, I'd taKE the big man because your team would have a unique offence, making it hard to defend.Pretty much said, but I'm just stating my opinion
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Apr 12 2006, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rasheed does have a decent outside shot, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Dirk and KG...as far as versatility inside and out.But he is a good example of that type of player.</div>Sheed is a great post player too with terrific length. Problem is he doesnt post up enough in my opinion. That post play is something that Detroit needs too, if Im not mistaken I believe theyre last in the league in points in the paint..
A Guard with a post game. I don't want my bigman playing like a sissy outside. I want him down low snatching loose change and then doing what big guys do best down low. Think of how good Iverson would be with a post game. I honestly think he could be the best of all-time if he did.
It's too bad he is short.....Give me the Dirk, Glen Davis type player. For the mismatches. It would be a nice piece to build a team around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjcolpitts @ Apr 11 2006, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When i first read this, i thought to myself i'd take a big man with a shot over a peremiter player with a nice low post game, but then i thought about it for a minute and decided i'd take the permiter player with a post game. If you think about it, you cant name many post players that have had a lot of success. Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson both had nice post up games and they both won many championships. i cant name post player that has lead his team to a championship while relying on a jump shot only. so i'd take the perimter player with the post game.</div>Magic Johnson didn't win championships bc of his post game. Michael Jordan was a good post up player, but he was also good at everything else, he's a poor example. He could do so much more than post up.hoopskid, yes the post up guard could draw some defense, but they don't demand as much attention as a forward/center in the post. The big men will probably be rotating to help anyways. IMO, there is close to no difference in a post up guard and a penetrating guard.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Apr 12 2006, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rasheed does have a decent outside shot, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Dirk and KG...as far as versatility inside and out.But he is a good example of that type of player.</div>What? Rasheed is among the most versatile in the league.I wouldn't consider KG an outside player, either. He has a decent midrange, but he can't really step out beyond that 3-pt. line.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diesel @ Apr 12 2006, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A Guard with a post game. I don't want my bigman playing like a sissy outside. I want him down low snatching loose change and then doing what big guys do best down low. Think of how good Iverson would be with a post game. I honestly think he could be the best of all-time if he did.</div>you're kidding about AI, right? He is way too small. AI going to the post would just give his bigger defenders more of an excuse to be more physical with him. he would actually be horrible in the post. His strengths are quickness in ballhandling, neither of which is very useful in the post.
I think a wingman who can post up is really valuable for a guard. You mean someone? Like Bonzi Wells? He posts up well. You can always get a Troy Murphy or some guy who can shoot the ball but for a guard to defend the inside well and play good defense there and also post up. That's really rare.
Sorry. Misundertsood. I would still rather have a post up guard though like Bonzi bc those guys are really hard to find and it adds alot to your offense. Including good shot selection.
Alot of guards who post up don't really have a very good understanding of how things work on the blocks. they don't know exactly how the rotations come, they don't know where the seams are for his teammates to cut, and they often force things. It stops ball movement as they hardly ever kick out of that stuff, jsut bc they are not as experienced in the post. It's rare that you find a player that understands the game that well to be completely effective in the post. Bonzi is not like that. He's a good post scorer, but not player. Vince Carter is probably as close as they come to what i'm describing, and he's still not there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 12 2006, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Magic Johnson didn't win championships bc of his post game. Michael Jordan was a good post up player, but he was also good at everything else, he's a poor example. He could do so much more than post up.</div>I know Magic didnt win championships because of his post game, but it doesnt dispute the fact that he won them. And i think Jordan is a very good example. Just because both players had very well rounded games doesnt make them bad examlpes. they are both good examples. Can you name me any post players that won Championships relying on their Jump Shots? Maybe only Rasheed Wallace.
