I was thinking that Livingston has the more potential out of the two. Not saying Harris is going to be bad, but i was thinking that the Mavs would of be better if the Draft would of went a little different. If the Clips would of picked Harris and the Mavs would of picked Livingston, i think are offense wouldnt jam up like it sometimes does. Livingston has great court vision, and great size. Once he gains some muscle, he will be able to take point gaurds down to the blocks. As far as team success, i think Harris will have the better career, but just regaurding numbers, i think Livingston will be better. Livingston has the potential to average a double double with points and assists. Then with his size, he has to be able to grab some rebounds. Harris will be good, but Livingston will be great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Livingston more potential? Ok... Even though Harris is probably the most athletic point guard in the league. At least at the level as Tony Parker. Harris needs to get stronger and he will be a force.</div>Mavsfan how about you start looking at other players around the league not on the Mavs. If you can't see how Livy has more potential then your innane.
Yeah ok. Dallas could lock him down if Terry actually cared about defense. Livingston doesn't shoot well and isn't as fast as Harris but he is quicker than Terry. At least that is what I've seen so far on Livingston.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah ok. Dallas could lock him down if Terry actually cared about defense. Livingston doesn't shoot well and isn't as fast as Harris but he is quicker than Terry. At least that is what I've seen so far on Livingston.</div>And Harris shoots well? No offense but his jumper isn't reliable either, that's why he drives. And both are quick, what seperates Livy from Harris is Livy has great court vision and doesn't have to learn how to be a pg. Along with his size, and his jumper developing I think he's the better pg down the line. Harris will be the better scorer when he develops his jumper but he will never have the court vision as Livy does, that's a skill you can't learn.
Actually watching tape and realizing where other players like to be when you are in a certain part of the court in a set is a way to improve your passing skills. Court vision comes with the understanding of where players will be. Like Nash knows Bell likes the corner and Diaw likes and Marion like to get around the basket. Harris has improved drastically in the assist column from his rookie year. Too bad he can't stay healthy.
Dude I like Harris just as much as the next guy, and he has the potential to be a damn good, but if you had read what I posted I said if Livy maxes out his potential he'll be better than Harris can be, but that's only if he stays healthy AND maxes out his potential.The only reason Harris is behind him is because Livy is already a good PG, and Harris has to learn the position.Both need to increase their shooting percentage.
Are you discrediting what Harris has already done for Dallas this year? You act like he hasn't done anything yet. His mid range shot is money. Harris with some added bulk could be the next Tony Parker. Harris's stats would be much higher if he was starting but Dallas has the luxury of having 2 point guards that are good enough to start. If Livingston can surpass that than the Clippers would be very tough to beat with already Kaman and Brand in the front court.
Honestly Mavsfan, if the clips had picked harris and the mavs would of got Livingston, you would be saying the same exact thing your saying, execpt the names would be switched. You would be praising Livingston and not giving harris credit.
All I'm saying is if Livingston is as good as you are making him out to be the Clippers would be close to championship threats. I haven't seen this great point guard that you are making him out to be. Harris isn't either but Dallas hasn't been the same since Harris went out. That says how much he means to Dallas.
He means a lot to Dallas, especially on finding Dirk and Terry open, and can fake that strategy and take the ball to the rack for a lay-up.My only problem with Harris is that he's been injured too much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>All I'm saying is if Livingston is as good as you are making him out to be the Clippers would be close to championship threats. I haven't seen this great point guard that you are making him out to be. Harris isn't either but Dallas hasn't been the same since Harris went out. That says how much he means to Dallas.</div> Look at Livy's age and then with Cassell in front of him. Then get back to me. Also, I am looking at Dallas, and I think there are other players, ie Howard that are more important then Harris right now. Howard comes back from injury and were a different team. The fact your trying to say a backup pg is this important is nonsense. We can win without him. It will be easier with him, but don't act like he's our savior.
This team doesn't go far without Devin Harris. Terry is not a great point guard. He doesn't penetrate, doesn't pass well, and doesn't play defense. All those things Harris does well. Also the combination of Harris and Terry is missed as well because that is Dallas's most effective lineup at the 1 and 2. Harris is to the mavs what Bobby Jackson was to the Kings a few years ago.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>This team doesn't go far without Devin Harris.</div>No sh!t. We need everyone healthy to go all the way. Every team does. I just don't put Devin higher then guys like Dirk, Terry, Howard, who I feel are more key to how successful we are in the playoffs.
I would put Devin Harris 4th on this team of importance and borderline 3rd the way Terry has been playing lately.
C'mon mavsfan, we've gone round and round in this discussion, and Harris isn't the 4th best player on the Mavs, and definately not the 4th most important player for our playoff run.Maybe he is in the SA series, but not overall. Dirk, Terry, Howard, and I'd put Diop and Damp, in regards to importance, are more valuable than him. Same with Stack.
This thread has turned into a debate on the importance of Maverick players in the playoffs. BACK TO TOPIC.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Apr 18 2006, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>C'mon mavsfan, we've gone round and round in this discussion, and Harris isn't the 4th best player on the Mavs, and definately not the 4th most important player for our playoff run.Maybe he is in the SA series, but not overall. Dirk, Terry, Howard, and I'd put Diop and Damp, in regards to importance, are more valuable than him. Same with Stack.</div>See there I disagree with that. Mbenga can fill in as a back up if either Diop or Damp goes down. Mbenga>Armstrong.
Mbenga being better than Armstrong is not overrating since they both hurt the team more than help when they are in the game.
Armstrong is a momentum changer, favoring us most of the time so I don't know what your talking about him hurting the game. Give me a break on the turnovers. And he's better at impacting the game then Benga is, so yes your overrating him.
