Andre Miller article (part two)

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  1. STOMP

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    GrandpaBlaze Predictions Game Master

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    Thanks for the link Stomp.

    I liked this part (with the occasional snip here and there):

    Gramps...
     
  3. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    One thing that jumps out to me reading this pretty good series is how many bad perimeter shooters he's played beside. The best three point shooters he's had as teammates were Greg Buckner, Eric Piatkowski, Earl Boykins, Wes Person, Bobby Sura and Lamond Murray. Some of those guys are decent three point shooters, but the ones who were were largely three point specialists who weren't any other kind of threat. It was Miller's job to create for them, because they largely couldn't create for themselves, and everybody knew it.

    I believe the only All Stars he's played beside were Andre Iguadala and Carmello Anthony, guys who do a lot of things, but don't create spacing with perimeter shots. It's pretty tough to run a PG and SF who can't hit perimeter shots, leaving it all up to role-player shooting guards.

    In his last two seasons with the Sixers, they only had one player (21 year old Louis Miller) average over 35% from three for an entire season. (And Louis Miller's following season saw him drop to .286).

    It's going to be an entirely different ballgame playing next to Roy, Batum, Outlaw, Blake and Webster. We may have a better collection of perimeter threats on our team than he's had in his entire career to this point.
     
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    Good point. (I think you meant Louis Williams though.)
     
  5. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Yup. Thanks for catching that.
     
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    Carmelo can't hit an outside shot? I know he's not been the greatest 3 point shooter especially early on in his career, but dude is a very good perimeter threat IMO

    not that it changes your point, but Elton Brand has been an AS as well... and if you wanted to get technical Chris Weber was one though he was AM's teammate well after he'd massively declined

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    Yes, but you have to admit, there definitly was a difference as well from Carmello before the Olympics, and Carmello after the Olympics. His desire to compete before wasn't the same. He came back from the Olympics with a much different attitude than the past, otherwise, it might just have been another year of complete failure in Denver, Billups or not.

    That being said, the Carmello that Miller played with was pre-olympics Carmello.
     
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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

    pre Olympics Carmelo posted 3 straight years with a PER over 21. Post Olympics Carmelo dipped down to 19.0. What am I supposed to admit?

    but what we were discussing was whether he is a threat from the outside. It's my contention that he is and has been since he came into the league.

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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    left out Rudy! :ghoti:
     
  10. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    lol. How'd I forget? Funny thing is I think I was right even if you don't include him.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I've always thought of him as a decent midrange shooter, an excellent slasher and a powerful interior player, particularly back when he was playing with Miller.

    Anyway, my real point is that he seems a natural fit alongside a star swingman with three point range. He's never had such a teammate. He also seems a natural fit for a team loaded with three point shooters. He's never really been on such a team. In Portland he's getting both.
     
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    to me the basis of his game and what makes him effective is his sweet J and confidence in his ability as a shooter/scorer.
    agreed that his drive and kick/finish game fits well with this team filled with solid jump shooters. He and Blake will give them different quality looks but I think he'll prove the more effective option right off the bat. Combined with AM making twice as much $ and being signed past this year, the starter question should be settled in short order. I can't wait for the :NOTMARIS: crew here to do the play by play on this predictable progression in the following months

    :morningtime:

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    You forgot to mention our most deadly 3-point shooter! RUDY

    I think Andre is going to really help to set up Rudy!
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Most deadly? Sorry, Blake was a full 3% points higher than Rudy. "Is" and "might someday be" aren't the same thing.
     
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    Yay it's the PERS parade! The answer is always PERS!

    What does PERS say about the pace Denver played this year?

    What does PERS say about Denver having a much better balanced team this year due to unselfishness?

    What does PERS say about Carmello Anthony making it past the first round for the first time in his career?

    What does PERS say about Denver going from 85 shots a game last year, to 79 this year?

    What does PERs say about Carmello Anthony playing defense for the first time in his career?

    FUCK PERS:ghoti:
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    ... I get the feeling you don't like to freak out? :sigh:

    Thus i'll try to help make up for you
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    there is something about their synchronized freaking out...
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    PER adjusts for pace. :)

    PER factors in usage rate. :)

    PER is very proud of him, like a father!

    Uh...you already asked about pace...

    No one uses PER for defense, or has said it meaningfully measures defense. PER is a measure of productivity...the type of thing a point guard might have some effect on.

    Who's PERS?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    FUCKPERS is the Public Employee Retirement System of the state of Californication.

    barfo
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Oh. I think it's acronym used to be RHCP, so I missed the reference.
     
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    so sorry your point didn't hold water. It's all my fault

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