Support our bill. If you don't, you're "un-American"! http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html#more
The comments after the USA Today op/ed are worth reading. Apparently, there are a lot of "un-Americans" who disagree with the Democratic House leadership.
I can see that she was referring to specific points when she made the "un-American" comment. I would not have used those words, because they're far too loaded. Also, I don't know if it's really evident that there is an organized campaign of drowning out civil discussion. However, if there was, I would say that is indeed, un-American.
So, when Obama was organizing street protests in Chicago to drown out opponents, was that "un-American". Pelosi is 3rd in line to the Presidency, and she labels people opposing her flawed plan "un-American". Unreal that this is the level of discourse coming from our "leaders".
Anything that attempts to stifle civil discourse is, I think, against core American values. So, if he did, then it was an un-American action. I'm pretty sure that she labeled the actions that she described as un-American, not people who oppose the health care reform.
No, she doesn't label people opposing her flawed plan as un-American. She labels the tactic of drowning out opponents without the ability to enter discourse un-American. Perhaps taking the blinders off for a second would help. Especially you who posted earlier about people getting ramped up about their own opinion without entering real discourse. People from both side of the aisle should be ASHAMED if their constituents resort to these tactics. There shouldn't even be an attempt made to soften or mediate the situation. The leaders if they had balls at all should just come out and say "They (the citizens) were wrong to do that."
Perhaps you shoud read the comments to her article. Since when is free speech "un-American"? People are frustrated that they are not being heard. They are making themselves heard, and some are being put in the hospital by "your side" for doing so. You do know how this Republic was formed, right? I'm not surprised that you condone this loaded comment by Pelosi, however. You seem as partisan as anybody on this board. Edit - you're tied with barfo and Shooter.
I'm glad that's what you think. Meanwhile, the first amendment begs to differ with your opinion. Correct. Pelosi labeled people exercising free speech as "un-American". I get that.
I'm not being difficult. I'm not the one trying to spin Pelosi's loaded insult, and it appears a lot of people are insulted by it. Me not agreeing with you = me being difficult.
No, I'm not spinning. "Drowning out the opposition", as far as I can tell, is protected under the 1st Amendment, and in turn, is most definitely "American". "People" are supposedly drowning out the opposition. What am I spinning? A stupid comment by Pelosi, and probably the final nail in the health care coffin. You know the Dems are desperate when their leadership has to pull the "un-American" card.
Free speech is not un-American. But prohibiting free speech and not engaging in rationale discourse by drowning out opposing points of views by shouting is un-American. Can you please cite at least ten examples of the framers drowning out each other's points of views when writing the Constitution? No, of course you can't. Those people can be heard but they choose not to engage in discourse. They instead attempt to engage in shouting. I do know how this nation was formed. So are you saying you support and encourage the violent overthrow of our present government? Pelosi is right, so it's hard to defame her. As I stated earlier, people on both sides who attempt those tactics should be ashamed. Again, why are you being hypocritical to your earlier posts?
Sure sure...and everything you espouse, regardless of whether it deals with "big government" or not, is pro-GOP point of view..interesting.
She didn't say "unconstitutional," she said, "un-American." There's a big difference. It seemed to work for the Republicans just fine.
