I wouldn't call them domestic terrorists. I think that is ridiculous actually, but the definition is somewhat up for interpretation but considering the America we live in.... I do think that these people are opportunists though trying to change the public perception of President Obama who's popularity is slipping, but still solid. They're clearly republicans and probably the Hannity or Limbaugh wing that want to make headlines. It's nothing more than a sham. They're planted there by republican organizations and yes dems have done this stuff too, but the point remains the same. Their plants. Now not to say that their aren't people who have concerns over the possible health care plan. I think majority of Americans probably do, but they also aren't going around and shouting at congressman and senators etc. Most level-headed Americans would sit down and talk and express their opinion in a mature manner or even debate it. It's just ridiculous that the maturity level of these people is that of a little leaguer cheering on his team from the dugout. Honestly that's kind of what it reminds me of in away. Anyone who played little league knows what I'm talking about... The birthers on the other hand are kind of dangerous IMO. When does one of these people try to do something stupid because they thank their saving the country? Those people are ignorant and in denial that it's 2009 and not 1909. Racism probably plays a role too.
What is this myth that people are showing up at town hall meetings and shouting their message? The clips I've seen are people relating their concerns and being shouted down by union members. I'm certain there have been some nutty people on the fringe, but those would be the exception and not the rule.
so astroturf and freedomworks dont exist? there is an orchestrated attempt by healhtcare kleptocrats and conservatives to organize these domestic terrorists
back to the domestic terrorist angle: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/10/gabrielle-giffords-town-h_n_255656.html
I went to a town hall meeting this weekend for Ed Purlmutter. I'm not a member of his district, so I felt it wasn't my place to ask a question. Having observed who was organized and who wasn't, it's clear that it was the union members--same T-shirts, same chants, same manufactured signs. The people that asked questions about healthcare asked specific questions quietly and reasonably. There was one elderly woman who began crying during her question talking about her fear her husband wouldn't continue to receive care, but that was about as much emotion as was demonstrated on the side of those against the House health care plan. Afterward, the union members got into it with a small group of people, but that's about it. But you do a really good job reciting Democratic talking points.
Oh come on. You know very well that right wing groups are behind this much like left wing groups were behind anti-war demonstrations back a few years ago. These groups have connections to the parties. There are going to be some good town halls, but a lot of them are anything but productive and rational. Most are political. Plus even if there was debate, congressman and senators aren't listening. Their not changing their minds on anything. They're going to vote on whatever helps them get re-elected and most of them already know what that is. It's all a bunch of BS with the exception of a few.
I disagree. You can tell when something is orchestrated, and this sentiment is real. People don't like the idea of a single-payer system, because for all the dissatisfaction with the insurance issue, people by and large like the care they have. If you want to see organization, check out how the pro-Obamacare forces are organizing. They wear the same t-shirts, have the same signs and chant in unison. Okay, so it's wasted effort. Why does it bother so many? It bothers them because this is a bill designed in the bubble of Washington--I lived there for almost a decade, and I can tell you that bubble exists--and they're surprised at the home grown rage over this bill. The surprise is real, and they're not equipped to handle it.
no, im almost certain that obama isnt going to offer up euthanasia for the elderly like hitler did for the mentally retarded. you're no better than glenn beck if u endorse that crap.
Wow, reading comprehension fail on your part. Why don't you take a second to learn about Ezekiel Emanuel. http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm
u cite an opinion piece from the new york post as your defense? did this same columnist break the paternity details of michael jackson kids as well? give me a break!!! healthcare is already rationed in america by price and that is prohibitive in nature.
Obama is beginning his counter attack to this. That's what you'll begin to see. It's all politics. Obama was elected and is doing exactly what he said he would. Even in the primaries he was preaching universal health care for everyone. This is not surprising to anyone or shouldn't be. Most of those people aren't supporters of him and never will be. Yes there are some exceptions just like some republicans didn't like Bush. There were a few, but not many. Most of these people are protesting to see Obama's presidency fail. A protester said watch Glenn Beck for the facts and a republican congressman replied no that's the last thing you should do. He promotes fear he said. The entire room proceeded to boo like crazy. Like they were Bears fans at a Packer game or something. Those people are there with an agenda and they aren't organizing this on their own. I think they're plants from the way right-wing of the party. That's the organizations getting these people out there.
I'm glad you picked up on the fact it was an opinion piece. However, opinions have to be based on facts and data. What do you think of Dr. Emanuel's philosophy? I think overall it makes sense for the society, but robs us of our soul. And if I were old and had to rely on public healthcare, I'd be scared shitless.
I know you may find this fact hard to believe, but 46% of the country didn't vote for President Obama. There are actually people--without being organized by the "way right-wing"--who didn't like what they heard from him. As for people voting for President Obama because of the specificity of his polices, that's a silly position to hold. There was a huge vote against President Bush, a huge vote because he is half-black and most others just wanted to vote for Hope and Change. Very few voted for him because of his actual policy prescriptions. It seems at this point we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
yeah, dumbarse black ppl only vote for their own kind. you're kind of neglecting the fact that african americans never vote republican irrespective of who the democrats have on the ballot. why? because the republicans are the party of bigots (i.e. 42% of republicans believe obama was born in kenya). and fyi- if u were to take out the rural redneck vote- obama would have won in a landslide. obama won the hispanic (growing) as well as university graduate (growing) vote, while mccain won the senior citizen (dieing off) as well as the evangelical vote. these trends signal disaster for your party, in fact, i declare the republicans a footnote in history.
