<Censored> yah barry bonds should make the hall of fame! If you dont think so then you are stupid! Barry bonds is a phenom! He should definitly get in the hall of fame hands down!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 15 2006, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O my god..dont bring music into this subject</div>Why not? Sports and music are both entertainment and nothing more. Artists/Athletes make money off of guys like you and I. Go see a concert, go see a game. Buy a few CDs, buy a shoe.Telling me just to not bring music into the subject with no reason serves no purpose.
Music and drugs have been silently connected together forever..Baseball has been a drug free sport since the game was created in the past decade people like Barry cheated, he has surpassed people who worked there <Censored> off to get their name in the record books..He should not be in the hall of fame
Absolutely not!!!...steroids are a performance enhancing drug...the key phrase is performance enhancing...he may have never even got close to the numbers he had, without the help of these drugs...if Pete Rose cant make it there for so many years neither should Bonds...plain and simple
You know, I just want to give my opinion and I'm not going to read the rest of the posts. Bonds, before steroids, was a great future hall of fame player. What annoys me about him is that he took steroids out of jealousy of what McGwire and Sosa did. Many people took steroids though, before there was testing and then with all the home run record breaking. You can't just take away what those players did, jsut take away steroids from the future of baseball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 15 2006, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Music and drugs have been silently connected together forever..Baseball has been a drug free sport since the game was created in the past decade people like Barry cheated, he has surpassed people who worked there <Censored> off to get their name in the record books..He should not be in the hall of fame</div>Just because something has been around for years doesn't make it right. I'm sure players in Babe's era took something. Steriods are relatively new, but I'm sure there was something back then. But even if there wasn't. . .Enhancements are enhancements regardless of when they started. Say no one found out steriods were rampant in baseball for another 50 years. Would you go back and want to take away Bond's record than?
No because we wouldnt have known exactly how far back steroids were taken. Guys 100 years ago just didnt take steoroids they worked harder than we work. They were more passionate about everything. But we found out about steroids THIS DECADE, not 50 years from now..NOW..and we know Bonds, McGuire, Sosa took performance enhancing substances, and Sosa Corked his bat =D..When you have the evidence about something like this, you shouldnt let it slide..You dont reward him either. He SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.
I think ive already said that before. i kow you gotta have good hitting mechanics and all. but he cheated i dont care what else you say. HE CHEATED HES A CHEATER, HE SHOULDNT BE REWARDED
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 16 2006, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he was a little girl 15 years ago..now hes big and buff, and still a women about everything</div>When you're 23 take a picture of yourself and when your 40 compare that picture and you now at 40! Your going 2 be bigger than you were at 23! Plus everyone Bonds works out with says that guy works so hard in the off season!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 16 2006, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No because we wouldnt have known exactly how far back steroids were taken. Guys 100 years ago just didnt take steoroids they worked harder than we work. They were more passionate about everything. But we found out about steroids THIS DECADE, not 50 years from now..NOW..and we know Bonds, McGuire, Sosa took performance enhancing substances, and Sosa Corked his bat =D..When you have the evidence about something like this, you shouldnt let it slide..You dont reward him either. He SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.</div>Steriods aren't new to this decade. Canseco said he took them in the late 80's.Lyle Alzado (football player) died in the early 90's after having admittedly taking steriods for a decade in the 80's. They existed in the 70's and probably before too.They just made a bigger impact this decade with Barry Bonds. But it is not new.
I didn't read through the entire thread, but here is my view on the subject.Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely, regardless of whether or not he used steroids. Will he be in the HOF? With everything that is going on right now, probably not.There really is no proof that 100% says that he took steroids. Has he ever tested positive for steroids? No. And the substances that he allegedly used were not banned by Major League Baseball until a few years ago, so how can you punish a guy for doing something that were not against the rules at that time? There is a clause in the Constitution that prevents things like that from happening in the country, and prevents the government from creating a law, and then going back and arresting people for breaking that law before it was a law.The whole thing right now with MLB and Bonds has turned into one huge witch hunt. They are just going after the man because he is the biggest name in the game right now.Also, the perjury investigation that the government is conducting on him will not really produce anything. He won't be convicted. Do you know how hard it is to get a conviction on a perjury case, especially this one?The defense is going to easily defend Bonds if we are just going by what evidence we have at this point in time. Not to mention that the perjury investigation is going to severly limit MLB's investigation into Bonds' alleged doping.What are the big pieces of evidence right now? The book Game of Shadows and his ex-mistress. Both of these can be dismissed quite easily... all the defense has to do is shine light on the potential reasons the authors published the book and the mistress is getting involved: financial gain.It will be extremely hard to prove that Bonds had no knowledge of using steroids, which is essentially what he said ("I have never knowingly used steroids"). The burden of proof is on the prosecution... he is innocent until proven guilty in the legal court, but obviously he has been pronounced guilty in the court of public opinion.
His trainer, ex-gf and other MLB players and also the drug supplyers said that Bonds used steroids. It is pretty obvious that he did. Let's just get past that part.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 16 2006, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His trainer, ex-gf and other MLB players and also the drug supplyers said that Bonds used steroids. It is pretty obvious that he did. Let's just get past that part.</div>The perjury case has nothing to do with whether or not he actually used steroids. They have to prove that he knowingly, and intentionally lied when he said that he did not knowingly used steroids.Convictions on perjury cases are very, very rare.
